Atheism and love

Atheism and love

Iceman
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May 13th, 2011, 11:29 pm #1

From Positive Atheism

Love is an abstraction that defies definition in terms all could agree on. Romantic or courtly love is a relatively recent development in the sociology of humans. Thanks to the exploitation and objectivication of women by the relgions of history, man's relationship with women bears scars of distortion that persist to this day.

Alone or connected, young or old, one should always live as full a life as one is able. Nobody said life was fair, we must all play the hand we're dealt. Religion capiltalizes on this fact by always holding out hope and answers on which it can never deliver. Look to see how some of the truly great minds have dealt with setbacks, pain, disappointments, and frustration. Imagine Beethoven's deafness, Galileo's ridicule and persecution by the church, Hawking's unbelievable illness, Helen Keller born deaf and blind. The list is endless. Nietzsche, whose life was no picnic, said it best "That which does not kill me strengthens me."

No special interest group of any kind has the market cornered on love, and throughout history, love has been denied to multitudes. To be sure, the absense of companionship and physical love is a cruel fate for a sensitive, carng person, yet, perversely, some seek out solitude. Men like Newton and Ravel seem to have had no intimate relationships with any other humans, male OR female. The overwhelming majority of philosophers and other great thinkers remained unmarried and many lived reclusive lives inside their brains.

How to cope, who can say?...if you feel sorry for yourself, DON'T (I'm NOT implying that you do). If you have a brain (mind) USE IT. If you have something to say, SAY IT! Read, write, listen to and play music, connect up with kindred and empathic "souls" if only on the internet. Stop wasting your time with the "great mystical, metaphysical questions." Don't ask "Why am I here?" or "Whither goest I?" Better to find your bliss and to pursue it rentlessly. Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

You speculate that narrowing down your life to a single person would cause you to miss out on a great deal. This is specious reasoning. The person who constricts your life is the wrong person. Linking up with the ideal mate or compan- ion should open up your life to broader and more varied vistas and experiences. If two minds and/or bodies come together and create restriction, you're both doing it wrong. One's life should be enriched by another's and no part of it should be displaced.

If love isn't additive, it's destructive. Two people "goin' for the gold" should find TWICE as much treasure.

Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright.


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May 14th, 2011, 2:06 am #2


I take exception to one line: If love isn't additive, it's destructive.

If it's destructive, it's not really love imho. But to your point, we aren't going to find a definition of love that we all agree on.
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May 14th, 2011, 2:32 am #3

From Positive Atheism

Love is an abstraction that defies definition in terms all could agree on. Romantic or courtly love is a relatively recent development in the sociology of humans. Thanks to the exploitation and objectivication of women by the relgions of history, man's relationship with women bears scars of distortion that persist to this day.

Alone or connected, young or old, one should always live as full a life as one is able. Nobody said life was fair, we must all play the hand we're dealt. Religion capiltalizes on this fact by always holding out hope and answers on which it can never deliver. Look to see how some of the truly great minds have dealt with setbacks, pain, disappointments, and frustration. Imagine Beethoven's deafness, Galileo's ridicule and persecution by the church, Hawking's unbelievable illness, Helen Keller born deaf and blind. The list is endless. Nietzsche, whose life was no picnic, said it best "That which does not kill me strengthens me."

No special interest group of any kind has the market cornered on love, and throughout history, love has been denied to multitudes. To be sure, the absense of companionship and physical love is a cruel fate for a sensitive, carng person, yet, perversely, some seek out solitude. Men like Newton and Ravel seem to have had no intimate relationships with any other humans, male OR female. The overwhelming majority of philosophers and other great thinkers remained unmarried and many lived reclusive lives inside their brains.

How to cope, who can say?...if you feel sorry for yourself, DON'T (I'm NOT implying that you do). If you have a brain (mind) USE IT. If you have something to say, SAY IT! Read, write, listen to and play music, connect up with kindred and empathic "souls" if only on the internet. Stop wasting your time with the "great mystical, metaphysical questions." Don't ask "Why am I here?" or "Whither goest I?" Better to find your bliss and to pursue it rentlessly. Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

You speculate that narrowing down your life to a single person would cause you to miss out on a great deal. This is specious reasoning. The person who constricts your life is the wrong person. Linking up with the ideal mate or compan- ion should open up your life to broader and more varied vistas and experiences. If two minds and/or bodies come together and create restriction, you're both doing it wrong. One's life should be enriched by another's and no part of it should be displaced.

If love isn't additive, it's destructive. Two people "goin' for the gold" should find TWICE as much treasure.

Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright.

love of self. What can others do for me. I would rather read what God has to say. For God so love loved the world that he................JB
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May 14th, 2011, 2:39 am #4

From Positive Atheism

Love is an abstraction that defies definition in terms all could agree on. Romantic or courtly love is a relatively recent development in the sociology of humans. Thanks to the exploitation and objectivication of women by the relgions of history, man's relationship with women bears scars of distortion that persist to this day.

Alone or connected, young or old, one should always live as full a life as one is able. Nobody said life was fair, we must all play the hand we're dealt. Religion capiltalizes on this fact by always holding out hope and answers on which it can never deliver. Look to see how some of the truly great minds have dealt with setbacks, pain, disappointments, and frustration. Imagine Beethoven's deafness, Galileo's ridicule and persecution by the church, Hawking's unbelievable illness, Helen Keller born deaf and blind. The list is endless. Nietzsche, whose life was no picnic, said it best "That which does not kill me strengthens me."

No special interest group of any kind has the market cornered on love, and throughout history, love has been denied to multitudes. To be sure, the absense of companionship and physical love is a cruel fate for a sensitive, carng person, yet, perversely, some seek out solitude. Men like Newton and Ravel seem to have had no intimate relationships with any other humans, male OR female. The overwhelming majority of philosophers and other great thinkers remained unmarried and many lived reclusive lives inside their brains.

How to cope, who can say?...if you feel sorry for yourself, DON'T (I'm NOT implying that you do). If you have a brain (mind) USE IT. If you have something to say, SAY IT! Read, write, listen to and play music, connect up with kindred and empathic "souls" if only on the internet. Stop wasting your time with the "great mystical, metaphysical questions." Don't ask "Why am I here?" or "Whither goest I?" Better to find your bliss and to pursue it rentlessly. Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

You speculate that narrowing down your life to a single person would cause you to miss out on a great deal. This is specious reasoning. The person who constricts your life is the wrong person. Linking up with the ideal mate or compan- ion should open up your life to broader and more varied vistas and experiences. If two minds and/or bodies come together and create restriction, you're both doing it wrong. One's life should be enriched by another's and no part of it should be displaced.

If love isn't additive, it's destructive. Two people "goin' for the gold" should find TWICE as much treasure.

Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright.

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<em>"Stop wasting your time with the "great mystical, metaphysical questions." Don't ask "Why am I here?" or "Whither goest I?" Better to find your bliss and to pursue it rentlessly."</em>

That seems a rather counter-productive advice; a contradictive advice - after all ..... what precedes the action of searching for, and possibly finding, answers...................
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-it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere conjecture-


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May 14th, 2011, 2:55 am #5

I think the point is don't waste time in not living. Mystical and Metaphysical questions are a unknown, we will never know, but can use our own imagination to whatever end, or we can chose to ignore it. The message in any case is about love and atheism not about love and superstition.

"Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright".

I think that covered the paragraph you disagreed with.
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May 14th, 2011, 3:11 am #6

From Positive Atheism

Love is an abstraction that defies definition in terms all could agree on. Romantic or courtly love is a relatively recent development in the sociology of humans. Thanks to the exploitation and objectivication of women by the relgions of history, man's relationship with women bears scars of distortion that persist to this day.

Alone or connected, young or old, one should always live as full a life as one is able. Nobody said life was fair, we must all play the hand we're dealt. Religion capiltalizes on this fact by always holding out hope and answers on which it can never deliver. Look to see how some of the truly great minds have dealt with setbacks, pain, disappointments, and frustration. Imagine Beethoven's deafness, Galileo's ridicule and persecution by the church, Hawking's unbelievable illness, Helen Keller born deaf and blind. The list is endless. Nietzsche, whose life was no picnic, said it best "That which does not kill me strengthens me."

No special interest group of any kind has the market cornered on love, and throughout history, love has been denied to multitudes. To be sure, the absense of companionship and physical love is a cruel fate for a sensitive, carng person, yet, perversely, some seek out solitude. Men like Newton and Ravel seem to have had no intimate relationships with any other humans, male OR female. The overwhelming majority of philosophers and other great thinkers remained unmarried and many lived reclusive lives inside their brains.

How to cope, who can say?...if you feel sorry for yourself, DON'T (I'm NOT implying that you do). If you have a brain (mind) USE IT. If you have something to say, SAY IT! Read, write, listen to and play music, connect up with kindred and empathic "souls" if only on the internet. Stop wasting your time with the "great mystical, metaphysical questions." Don't ask "Why am I here?" or "Whither goest I?" Better to find your bliss and to pursue it rentlessly. Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

You speculate that narrowing down your life to a single person would cause you to miss out on a great deal. This is specious reasoning. The person who constricts your life is the wrong person. Linking up with the ideal mate or compan- ion should open up your life to broader and more varied vistas and experiences. If two minds and/or bodies come together and create restriction, you're both doing it wrong. One's life should be enriched by another's and no part of it should be displaced.

If love isn't additive, it's destructive. Two people "goin' for the gold" should find TWICE as much treasure.

Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright.

"Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own."
~Robert Heinlein

Sure, we could use "logic" and poke some holes in it. But I recall reading this a long time ago, and it stuck with me.
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May 14th, 2011, 3:13 am #7

I think the point is don't waste time in not living. Mystical and Metaphysical questions are a unknown, we will never know, but can use our own imagination to whatever end, or we can chose to ignore it. The message in any case is about love and atheism not about love and superstition.

"Every moment spent dwelling on your plight is a moment forever lost. Every moment of your life should be ennobled with the love and glory of nature and the wisdom that only comes from awareness. It's your birthright".

I think that covered the paragraph you disagreed with.
The unexamined life is not worth living, Plato said.

Yet, on the other hand, life to be lived.

Examining life, constantly analyzing and not living -- is not the idea either.

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May 14th, 2011, 3:17 am #8

love of self. What can others do for me. I would rather read what God has to say. For God so love loved the world that he................JB
Hmm. Yeah, I know JB. But some take it literally. For God so loved the World, he killed 99.9999% of the inhabitants of the world. How's that work?

Just a rhetorical question, I realize that neither you nor Yvonne take that Great and Global Flood literally. I hope!

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May 14th, 2011, 3:18 am #9

"Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own."
~Robert Heinlein

Sure, we could use "logic" and poke some holes in it. But I recall reading this a long time ago, and it stuck with me.
JB
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May 14th, 2011, 3:27 am #10

Hmm. Yeah, I know JB. But some take it literally. For God so loved the World, he killed 99.9999% of the inhabitants of the world. How's that work?

Just a rhetorical question, I realize that neither you nor Yvonne take that Great and Global Flood literally. I hope!
In scripture water is always symbolic of the word. We are washed clean by being immersed (baptised)  in the word. Whereas heaven speaks of the heart, the earth speaks of the mind. The Flood is an alegory of how God separates the clean from the unclean in our thinking. I could expound on it but it would only labour the point.

No humans where harmed in the telling of this story. JB
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