A trend i see in some christians.....

A trend i see in some christians.....

Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

September 20th, 2010, 12:45 am #1

which i believe could be called spiritual arrogance....

in that....if they read something from another who claims to be a christian...but they do nto agree....then they make the claim that the given idea is corrupt and is born of the fact the person is seeing things in the floesh and not walking in the spirit.

which of course then assumes that said person making the conclusion has to claim to be completely walking in the spirit so as to make this assertion....and given that 'walking in the spirit' according to scripture has clear signs to what to expect from such a person....and i can say no one on these sites who calls themself christian qualifies...

well houston....there is a problem.....
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Joined: January 13th, 2010, 2:50 pm

September 20th, 2010, 3:28 am #2


And for as long as I can remember. So I see what you're referring to as well, yet I'm reluctant to call it a "trend" per se. Things may be different in other parts of the world.
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Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

September 20th, 2010, 3:54 am #3

avoid using the term 'recent' trend...

for obvious reasons we both seem to see.
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Seoc Colla
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September 20th, 2010, 8:57 am #4

""Everyone else is wrong except us chosen ones""

This about sums up 'holy book' religions - as intended.

We enter this physical phase of Life on our own, we walk a massive variety of paths, vitually on our own, we gather a great range of experiences on our own, generally speaking, yet in the communal experience part of life, there are ranks of wee guys wearing dresses pontificating as to how we must live the easy part.

We will leave this physical experience on our own, having benefited from or regretting, different parts of our lives (probably both)

We are the authors of our own story - or should be. The Spirit within is the only personal guide we need. This must be so as we are so very different in so many ways with needs and purposes to match.

Religion will lead you astray.
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Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

September 20th, 2010, 11:51 am #5

which i believe could be called spiritual arrogance....

in that....if they read something from another who claims to be a christian...but they do nto agree....then they make the claim that the given idea is corrupt and is born of the fact the person is seeing things in the floesh and not walking in the spirit.

which of course then assumes that said person making the conclusion has to claim to be completely walking in the spirit so as to make this assertion....and given that 'walking in the spirit' according to scripture has clear signs to what to expect from such a person....and i can say no one on these sites who calls themself christian qualifies...

well houston....there is a problem.....
Ardent Religionists

The main function of AR is to provide material for satirists/stand-up comedians.

According to AR, one must at in, at least, every three sentences refer to "correct" scripture. If not, one is surely mistaken, plain wrong or, at least, the devil's spawn.

The AR will therefore go to any length to ... erm ... 'prove so'.
The entertainment value of that process ensures hours upon hours of fun.


Priceless really.

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So-called ecclesial books tale about cosmology, anthropology, ontology - so, what's all the commotion about then?


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Joined: October 1st, 2006, 10:04 am

September 20th, 2010, 1:07 pm #6

""Everyone else is wrong except us chosen ones""

This about sums up 'holy book' religions - as intended.

We enter this physical phase of Life on our own, we walk a massive variety of paths, vitually on our own, we gather a great range of experiences on our own, generally speaking, yet in the communal experience part of life, there are ranks of wee guys wearing dresses pontificating as to how we must live the easy part.

We will leave this physical experience on our own, having benefited from or regretting, different parts of our lives (probably both)

We are the authors of our own story - or should be. The Spirit within is the only personal guide we need. This must be so as we are so very different in so many ways with needs and purposes to match.

Religion will lead you astray.
I think it might just have been me.



Love
Jackie
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Seoc Colla
Seoc Colla

September 20th, 2010, 1:24 pm #7

Aye, but you 'see' clearly.
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Joined: May 4th, 2005, 1:31 pm

September 20th, 2010, 1:43 pm #8

And for as long as I can remember. So I see what you're referring to as well, yet I'm reluctant to call it a "trend" per se. Things may be different in other parts of the world.
The "Chosen".

They do what they want and it is approved of God. If they get nasty, even to the point of murder, it's okay, because God commands it.

When they post on forums, it's because they are lead to do so. Any thought they have about others, is really God thinking through them. God has the exact same values and opinions as they do about EVERYTHING!

And those that don't think exactly the same? Well, they might just be deceived, yet actually still be "Chosen" to a degree. Or they might just be possessed by demons.

That's about the only two choices.

Chosen, like me/us.

Possessed by demons, Servants of Satan.

Yawn.

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Joined: October 1st, 2006, 10:04 am

September 20th, 2010, 2:26 pm #9

Aye, but you 'see' clearly.
...I can see all obstacles in my way.


LOVE to you,Seoc
Jackie
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Joined: May 4th, 2005, 1:31 pm

September 20th, 2010, 2:38 pm #10

which i believe could be called spiritual arrogance....

in that....if they read something from another who claims to be a christian...but they do nto agree....then they make the claim that the given idea is corrupt and is born of the fact the person is seeing things in the floesh and not walking in the spirit.

which of course then assumes that said person making the conclusion has to claim to be completely walking in the spirit so as to make this assertion....and given that 'walking in the spirit' according to scripture has clear signs to what to expect from such a person....and i can say no one on these sites who calls themself christian qualifies...

well houston....there is a problem.....
http://www.bustedhalo.com/features/spiritual-arrogance

May 1st, 2003
Spiritual Arrogance
by Brett Hoover, CSP


Several years ago, after I made a pretty self-righteous remark at a church meeting, I was reproached as having "no right to be so flip for someone so young" (I was 24 at the time, in my first year of seminary). Feeling bruised in the ego, I counterattacked, accusing the person of discriminating against me because I was young. Oh brother.

Things have a way of coming back to haunt you.

I was in Toronto (last summer, pre-SARS) when the Pope came to visit . At an assembly of about 150 college and high school students, a bishop from California was speaking from a prepared text about reconciliation, what it means to turn back to God. He then gave the students a chance to talk to one another in groups and then to report to the whole crowd on their discussions. A well-styled guy of about twenty got up to the cheers of his college group and proceeded to lecture us all about what it really means to be a good Catholic.

I suppose he raised some good points-the importance of prayer, being proud of your Catholic heritage. But sometimes the way you say something says more than what you said. This guy was all attitude, certain of his spiritual superiority, intent on flaunting the great moral wisdom he had reached. And he was clearly accustomed to the adulation of the students in his group. And I had to sit there through the whole thing.

Pride of the spirit

Pride, of course, is the head of the family of the seven capital sins in Christian tradition, the granddaddy of evil. It might seem like it only appears in the ownership of mansions, sportscars, and the ability to command untold numbers of other people to fan you with banana leaves. But pride is a problem of anyone who can somehow look in the mirror and pronounce the word invincible.

And there's such a thing as thinking you are spiritually invincible.

Knowing who you are and who you aren't

Thus all of us Christians are enjoined to humility. But, much as I hate to admit it myself, it's probably an especially good idea for those of us who are young. Our culture's love of youth should not blind us to the fact that wisdom comes with experience and reflection upon it. Time is required.

That doesn't mean that the young can't ever be wise. But the wisest and the most spiritually mature among us recognizes that we have limitations. We need to know that we don't know things.

To be humble is not to be self-deprecating or to suffer a lack of ambition. The definition of humility is to know who you are and who you aren't.

The Bible on humility

You may remember the story in the Bible of the Pharisee and the tax collector who visit the Temple to pray (Luke 18:9-14 ). The tax collector-who earns his bread by extorting from his own people the large taxes and tolls the occupying Roman forces require-knows he is a terrible sinner and makes no bones about it. He buries his face in his hands and begs God for mercy.

The Pharisee, a big time religious leader, feels no such guilt or need for divine help. He smugly thanks God he is not like that sinner, the tax collector, and then goes on to bend the Almighty's ear with his hefty spiritual accomplishments-fasting, charitable giving, yada yada yada. He somehow forgets to mention any possible failures (such as, for example, regarding tax collectors with contempt). This is a man who knows his strengths but is unfamiliar with his weaknesses. Such is the sound of spiritual pride or arrogance.

Jesus concludes the story by saying that the enemy-collaborating tax collector went away justified before God but the good and loyal Pharisee did not. Hold on here-traitors are justified but upstanding citizens no. This no doubt shocked some of Jesus' listeners and it may shock us.

But apparently, in God's eyes, spiritual arrogance is not to be taken lightly.
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