A Continuing Discussion Re: Psalm 110 and the word... "Lord".

A Continuing Discussion Re: Psalm 110 and the word... "Lord".

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May 20th, 2010, 8:27 pm #1

As is so frequently the case...
An Interesting Thread is drifting to the bottom of the Main Page.
In the hopes of continuing that discussion...
I have brought my Most Recent Response up here... To the Top.

Thank you all for your kind indulgence.

-PRev1-
And now...
The Post...

Common Sense will tell you that...
May 20 2010 at 4:16 PM
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<blockquote>

Two Different HEBREW Words were used in that verse for a very good reason.

<blockquote>Psalm 110:1 --
The LORD said unto my Lord Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Different HEBREW Words were used in that verse for a very good reason.

You see...
The FIRST appearance of the word...
Which has been translated as "LORD"...
-- (in "CAPS", which are not of My Insertion BTW)...
Is the Tetragrammaton... YHVH... "Yahweh" (Strong's H-3068)...
-- This is the "Name of God" which is NOT spoken by the Jews.
The SECOND appearance of the word "Lord"...
-- in Lower Case letters (again, NOT of My Insertion)...
Is the Hebrew word "<a href="" rel="nofollow">adoni</a>" (Strong's H-113)...
-- A word which is used, primarily, to signify Human "Rulers"...
-- And other people in positions of "authority"...
-- (Such as Husbands and the Owners of Slaves).

Now...
If the Author MEANT "JHVH" in Both Cases...
Then, the Author would have Used "JHVH" in Both Cases.
However...
Since the Author HAS Used a Different Word...
Then...
The Reader Must Realize that a Different Meaning is to be Applied.

In fact...
If the Author WAS Referring TO the "Most High God"...
In the SECOND instance of this verse...
Then, the Proper HEBREW Word to use would have been...
The more emphatic... "Adonay" (Strong's H-136)...
-- Which is used ONLY as a proper name of God.

However...
Even though this has already been pointed out to you...
You STILL Insist upon Inserting the Tetragrammaton...
-- INTO the Text...
In a place where it Does NOT Appear.

And, That's called Eisegesis, my friend.

You WANT to believe it Sooooo Badly that...
You don't mind ignoring the Actual Text...
And...
You are even willing to Replace It with Your OWN.

Fact of the matter is...
The SECOND Appearance of the English word "Lord"...
IS the HEBREW Word... "adoni"...
And THAT word...
-- Does NOT necessarily refer to the "Deity".

So Now...
It's time for You to...
Stop Ignoring the Actual Text...
And...
Start paying attention to...
-- The Historical Context.

The Original "Prophetic Vision" (as you have chosen to call it)...
Occurred during the Reign of Simon Maccabeus...
-- Who died in 135 BC.

The Intention of the Author...
Was to Praise Simon Maccabeus and...
To confer upon him and his descendants...
-- The "legitimate and permanent authority as ruling high priests" (1 Macc. 14:25-49).
The assumption that the Author was David...
Is based upon a Pseudepigraphal Superscription...
Which was added...
-- Merely to lend "authority" to the Text.

This Messianic Text was Adopted and Adapted...
By the Author of the Gospel According to Matthew...
Where it was USED as a "Prophetic Utterance"...
Against...
-- The Hasmonean Pretenders to Israelite Sovereignty...
And...
-- Their false claim to the High Priesthood...
In reference to...
-- The TRUE Heir to the Throne of David...
-- And Rightful, Zadokite High Priest...
-- Jesus, the son of Mary and Joseph.

And although this "Prophecy" was placed in the mouth of Jesus...
-- By the Gospel Author...
Prior to the Crucifiction...
-- And, therefore, while Jesus was still alive...
The scars left by the Crucifiction...
Clearly would have Voided his claim to the High Priesthood...
So...
-- THAT Mantle fell to his Brother, James.

Jesus himself, however, did not die on the Cross.

With the help of his friends and "secret disciples"...
-- Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus...
Along with the Expert Medical Assistance of the Essenes...
He survived the Crucifiction.
And...
Later, he was Seen, very much Alive...
By many of his disciples...
-- Including a large group consisting of 500 people.

At that point, he left for France...
Where he lived the rest of his days...
-- As a King... In Exile.
While his Brother, James, remained in Jerusalem...
Performing his Duties as...
-- The Zadokite High Priest of the Essenes.

And so, you see...
Your "conclusion" is as flawed and erroneous...
-- As the Errors, upon which, it is based.

Jesus was just a man...
-- As mortal as any other...
He was no more "God"...
-- Than you or I.

-PRev1-
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President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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May 20th, 2010, 8:43 pm #2

Over at Julian's there has been some discussion about the gender of the Holy Spirit.

Now Vince stated that:
There were no actual defining terms in the Greek language of that time.

Himself, herself, itself ... were all the same word ... "autos" ... or ... "heauto".
Part of the context is a discussion of Romans 8:26:

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Now Jack has said that "itself" above is a mistranslation. My own findings were similar to Vince's, the gender of "autos" is indeterminate.

http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebibl ... TRGRK8.htm
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebibl ... 8.htm#S848

You seem to be well versed in Greek, not sure if it is the Koine Greek that some keep referring to as they attempt to lord their "education" over others .. whether such education actually is a fact leaves room for debate.

Nonetheless. Thoughts on "autos"?


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May 20th, 2010, 9:26 pm #3

As is so frequently the case...
An Interesting Thread is drifting to the bottom of the Main Page.
In the hopes of continuing that discussion...
I have brought my Most Recent Response up here... To the Top.

Thank you all for your kind indulgence.

-PRev1-
And now...
The Post...

Common Sense will tell you that...
May 20 2010 at 4:16 PM
Pope Reverend I, BV (Login PRev1)
Sufi


Response to If you use common sense...
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<blockquote>

Two Different HEBREW Words were used in that verse for a very good reason.

<blockquote>Psalm 110:1 --
The LORD said unto my Lord Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Different HEBREW Words were used in that verse for a very good reason.

You see...
The FIRST appearance of the word...
Which has been translated as "LORD"...
-- (in "CAPS", which are not of My Insertion BTW)...
Is the Tetragrammaton... YHVH... "Yahweh" (Strong's H-3068)...
-- This is the "Name of God" which is NOT spoken by the Jews.
The SECOND appearance of the word "Lord"...
-- in Lower Case letters (again, NOT of My Insertion)...
Is the Hebrew word "<a href="" rel="nofollow">adoni</a>" (Strong's H-113)...
-- A word which is used, primarily, to signify Human "Rulers"...
-- And other people in positions of "authority"...
-- (Such as Husbands and the Owners of Slaves).

Now...
If the Author MEANT "JHVH" in Both Cases...
Then, the Author would have Used "JHVH" in Both Cases.
However...
Since the Author HAS Used a Different Word...
Then...
The Reader Must Realize that a Different Meaning is to be Applied.

In fact...
If the Author WAS Referring TO the "Most High God"...
In the SECOND instance of this verse...
Then, the Proper HEBREW Word to use would have been...
The more emphatic... "Adonay" (Strong's H-136)...
-- Which is used ONLY as a proper name of God.

However...
Even though this has already been pointed out to you...
You STILL Insist upon Inserting the Tetragrammaton...
-- INTO the Text...
In a place where it Does NOT Appear.

And, That's called Eisegesis, my friend.

You WANT to believe it Sooooo Badly that...
You don't mind ignoring the Actual Text...
And...
You are even willing to Replace It with Your OWN.

Fact of the matter is...
The SECOND Appearance of the English word "Lord"...
IS the HEBREW Word... "adoni"...
And THAT word...
-- Does NOT necessarily refer to the "Deity".

So Now...
It's time for You to...
Stop Ignoring the Actual Text...
And...
Start paying attention to...
-- The Historical Context.

The Original "Prophetic Vision" (as you have chosen to call it)...
Occurred during the Reign of Simon Maccabeus...
-- Who died in 135 BC.

The Intention of the Author...
Was to Praise Simon Maccabeus and...
To confer upon him and his descendants...
-- The "legitimate and permanent authority as ruling high priests" (1 Macc. 14:25-49).
The assumption that the Author was David...
Is based upon a Pseudepigraphal Superscription...
Which was added...
-- Merely to lend "authority" to the Text.

This Messianic Text was Adopted and Adapted...
By the Author of the Gospel According to Matthew...
Where it was USED as a "Prophetic Utterance"...
Against...
-- The Hasmonean Pretenders to Israelite Sovereignty...
And...
-- Their false claim to the High Priesthood...
In reference to...
-- The TRUE Heir to the Throne of David...
-- And Rightful, Zadokite High Priest...
-- Jesus, the son of Mary and Joseph.

And although this "Prophecy" was placed in the mouth of Jesus...
-- By the Gospel Author...
Prior to the Crucifiction...
-- And, therefore, while Jesus was still alive...
The scars left by the Crucifiction...
Clearly would have Voided his claim to the High Priesthood...
So...
-- THAT Mantle fell to his Brother, James.

Jesus himself, however, did not die on the Cross.

With the help of his friends and "secret disciples"...
-- Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus...
Along with the Expert Medical Assistance of the Essenes...
He survived the Crucifiction.
And...
Later, he was Seen, very much Alive...
By many of his disciples...
-- Including a large group consisting of 500 people.

At that point, he left for France...
Where he lived the rest of his days...
-- As a King... In Exile.
While his Brother, James, remained in Jerusalem...
Performing his Duties as...
-- The Zadokite High Priest of the Essenes.

And so, you see...
Your "conclusion" is as flawed and erroneous...
-- As the Errors, upon which, it is based.

Jesus was just a man...
-- As mortal as any other...
He was no more "God"...
-- Than you or I.

-PRev1-
</blockquote></blockquote>

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
.... who do you think "YHVH" of old testament is... the invisible God Father or the Son of the invisible God? Please provide Scripture to support your view.

The question is clarificatory for continuing discussion.

Thanks
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May 20th, 2010, 9:52 pm #4

it was about how matter and antimatter fight and matter wins:


I don't know the full extent of the article but it discussed this new scientific theory of why we are all here:

It made me upset but I couldn't put my finger on it right away: Later it came to me and I expressed my view about it to my husband.

God is LOVE says the NT and GOD is a consuming fire and God is unapproachable to man....let me find these scripture before I continue:



GOD BEING LIGHT and inapproachable




1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.



1Ti 6:11 ¶ But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.


1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.


1Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and [before] Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;


1Ti 6:14 That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:


1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;


1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.




Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.


Deu 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God [is] he which goeth over before thee; [as] a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.


Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.



since we see the same expression in the NT and the OT of God, I suppose your concensus then is that the INVISIBLE GOD of the NT is NOT the same as the God of the OT??




here are the ones on GOD IS LOVE




1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.



Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee [is] mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; ((((he will rest in his love)))), he will joy over thee with singing.


Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.


Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


1Cr 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.



ME: since it says OUR KEEPING the commandments is THE LOVE OF GOD......

I know the love of God is the law of God shed abroad in my heart; that is my experience:



now about the invisible God....


1Ti 1:12 ¶ And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;


1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief.


1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


1Ti 1:15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.


1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.


1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.





Col 1:3 ¶ We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,


Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,


Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;


Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:


Col 1:7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;


Col 1:8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.


Col 1:9 ¶ For this cause we also, since the day we heard [it], do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;


Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;


Col 1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;


Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:


Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:


Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:


Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.


Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;


Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.


Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled


Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Col 1:24 ¶ Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:


Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;


Col 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:


Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.



now I will post this and continue my thoughts in a little bit; I have something to do again....someone at the door about the funeral tommorrow:

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May 20th, 2010, 10:38 pm #5

I see it this way....

GOD IS LIGHT and LIFE and no man can approach God without dying.....


since we are little "bodies" with light trapped in them, the GOD or FATHER of light is LONGING for the light to return to him, his WILL/heart/DESIRE so to speak is to cleave to the light within the creation


this love is outgoing and yearns to reconcille the light that is locked from the view of man (his God consciousness) back to himself......


I NO LONGER BELIEVE that GOD is sitting in heaven (literally) but HE FILLS both heaven and earth and everything beyond, underneath, within and around it:


it is written the heavens are his throne and I believe that is our heart where he wants TO DWELL (in temples made without hands):


it is written the earth is his footstool and I believe he wants to walk around on the earth which is our consciousness, our brain that is the receiver of "mind" (thinking,focus, calculations, ideas etc):


when it says Adam walked with God it is saying the "mind" walked with God in the "earth" formed as the brain in Adam:

but never mind about that.....what is important is that when we walk with God we don't literally walk with a person but with THE POWER OF THE UNIVERSE within us, beside us, beneath us, above us:


we move and breathe and have our BEING IN HIM, this POWER called the HOLY SPIRIT that is SENT from on high, from the FATHER to invade us, mark us, make us one with God:


now the SON is GODS HEART yearning to reconcille the trapped lights in the bodies of persons, and FINALLY REACHING one of those lights....


and this FIRST LIGHT that the LIGHT FROM ABOVE REACHES after the FLOOD is called ABRAM (father of a high people) who is named Abraham by this LIGHT, meaning "father of many nations"


this is HOW GOD WOULD NOW BRING back all little lights trapped in all nations


to himself

this SEED of God, this LIGHT that made it from on high to the lower lights is called CHRIST


and CHRIST receives a NAME after he is BORN within the midst of the heart of one of Abraham's descendants and that virgins name is Mary (rebel) who is favored by God even though she begins as something else (Kingdoms of this world) (mary magdeline out of whom Jesus cast out seven devils representing the seven nations)


her innermost point in the heart, the "VIRGIN and GOOD GROUND of BEING" according to Mark 4, is where the "SEED" Christ takes root to bring forth the "NEW MAN"

and it is this NEW MAN who is named Jesus (the salvation of YHVH)


so, is Jesus then the INVISIBLE GOD

and is the invisible GOD YHVH?

and if not, who is YHVH

and who is the invisible God if not YHVH?




TO ME the invisible GOD is just LIFE ITSELF, LOVE, HOLINESS which I received upon seeing the LORD, being a witness of Jesus Christ


now, Jesus is the "FORMATION" of the SPIRIT that is the LIFE of MAN


but the NEW MAN, who is the head (beginning of all causes) of that which he RECONCILLES back to THE ORGIN of life, of love, of his father


God is only father to a son and a son is only a son because he has a father


GOD WITHOUT HIS SON is JUST GOD, no father identity needed:

once the SON COMES OUT OF GOD to reach the creation GOD WANTS TO SAVE and is able to TOUCH them, the "SEED" from the source becomes the SON but the source NOW IS called FATHER......


mother is the ground of being that UNDERSTANDS this UNION between the FATHER or source and the SON, because it is here that the source RESTS to find the lost sparks of light that got away......klipot in Judaism; sparks in JOB when we see these trapped in the chards that JOB uses to scrape his skin:


either way, they are the husks that surround the lights trapped in darkness and these need to be released from their prison:


when the SON reaches these sparks after being SENT from the SOURCE OF LOVE, of LAW and of LIFE, he brings many sons to glory:


something has to come down in order for the reaching sparks to be LIFTED UP in the midpoint


the cross is between heaven and earth for that reason:


here they are united and joined again: THE CROSS IS THAT PLACE where spirits and SPIRIT MEET in order to return home to the FATHERS house, to the GOD they came from and will return to

the means by which they return is the LOVE OF GOD REACHING OUT through a part of his HEART, his LOVE, to bring the little lights back home again to himself:


make sense?


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May 20th, 2010, 11:29 pm #6

..... IOW, I believe the main story of the Scriptures is all about the Son of God, who became Son of Man, so that the sons of men can become sons of God.

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May 21st, 2010, 7:39 am #7

.... who do you think "YHVH" of old testament is... the invisible God Father or the Son of the invisible God? Please provide Scripture to support your view.

The question is clarificatory for continuing discussion.

Thanks
The Second appearance of the word "Lord" in Psalm 110:1... is "adoni" NOT "YHVH".
And...
It is the Second appearance of the word...
-- Which you have chosen to bastardize.

So...
The question is about the word... "adoni".
And...
More specifically...
It should be asked...
-- WHY are YOU Trying to Rewrite the TEXT...?

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-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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May 21st, 2010, 8:09 am #8

Over at Julian's there has been some discussion about the gender of the Holy Spirit.

Now Vince stated that:
There were no actual defining terms in the Greek language of that time.

Himself, herself, itself ... were all the same word ... "autos" ... or ... "heauto".
Part of the context is a discussion of Romans 8:26:

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Now Jack has said that "itself" above is a mistranslation. My own findings were similar to Vince's, the gender of "autos" is indeterminate.

http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebibl ... TRGRK8.htm
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebibl ... 8.htm#S848

You seem to be well versed in Greek, not sure if it is the Koine Greek that some keep referring to as they attempt to lord their "education" over others .. whether such education actually is a fact leaves room for debate.

Nonetheless. Thoughts on "autos"?

Unfortunately...
This time...
-- So is Jack.

As the links you have provided show...
"Autos" isn't gender specific and...
It can be used as a pronoun for Masculine, Feminine OR Neutral nouns.

And, therein lies the key...
In Greek, as it is in so many languages other than English...
Gender Determination is provided by the Nouns...
It is reflected in the verbs...
And, the pronouns have to be translated in that context.

So, yes, Jack is right...
In connection with the Holy Spirit...
The pronoun "itself" is an erroneous translation.
Because, in Greek, the Holy Spirit is... Feminine.
So...
-- The correct pronoun would be "Herself".

The Gospel of Philip plays on that fact...
<blockquote> Some said, "Mary conceived by the holy spirit."
They are in error. They do not know what they are saying.
When did a woman ever conceive by a woman?
So, of course...
We can take comfort in the fact that...
-- Jack WILL be Wrong again...
-- As soon as he insists that...
-- The "Holy Spirit"... is "Male".

-PRev1-
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President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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May 21st, 2010, 8:25 am #9

The Second appearance of the word "Lord" in Psalm 110:1... is "adoni" NOT "YHVH".
And...
It is the Second appearance of the word...
-- Which you have chosen to bastardize.

So...
The question is about the word... "adoni".
And...
More specifically...
It should be asked...
-- WHY are YOU Trying to Rewrite the TEXT...?

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
is people try to force the scriptures to fit their theories. Sometime scriptures is so pulled apart and stuck back together again it begins to look like a hostage note. Scripture should resonate with the spirit and give it life. There are a pile of church doctrines and beliefs that are based on repetition of a fable rather than truth eg

Lucifer was the archangel of music and the heavenly choir who fell (I assume for playing rock n roll). 

The rapture of the saints where christians will be sucked up to meet the Lord in the air (suckers need only apply)

Hell is a place of eternal punishment (suffering people sharing this endless doctrine is punishment enough)

The trinity of Gods (who picks up when you phone God?)

There are many more I could flood the post with but life is short. JB

 
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May 21st, 2010, 12:05 pm #10

The Second appearance of the word "Lord" in Psalm 110:1... is "adoni" NOT "YHVH".
And...
It is the Second appearance of the word...
-- Which you have chosen to bastardize.

So...
The question is about the word... "adoni".
And...
More specifically...
It should be asked...
-- WHY are YOU Trying to Rewrite the TEXT...?

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
Perhaps, you still did not notice that I have flatly rejected your religious allegation with regards to your assumption of what the author meant when he wrote Psalms 110:1. The fact is your assumption is only based on your own religous point of view and not supported by the Scripture.

Let me again repeat what I have said before in the other thread (post) - in case you missed reading it... ....like most young earthers, you cannot use Scripture to support your opinions. You can only use your interpretational methods which don't agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. You base your "proper interpretation" on your own religion's views.

Also, the fact is, you have not refuted nor responded directly to my post below. Why are you deverting the issue?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/272761/m ... mmon+sense...

If you use common sense...
May 20 2010 at 1:36 PM 4Pillars (Login 4Pillars)
Sufi


Response to Again, I must insist that...

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..... you will see that your doctrinal error and confussion is just right in front of your nose. Allow me to help you analyse the cited text once again ....

Please read the inspired cited text below once again.... insertions are mine, of course for clarity of presentation.

Please read the inspired cited text below once again.... insertions are mine, of course for clarity of presentation.

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my (David') Lord (YHWH), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The questions you need to ask yourself analysing the text are these...

1) When did the original inspired prophetic vision was actually documented... during the Old Testament or New Testament?
2) Who was the main subject of the prophetic vision - David's Lord?
3) Who was the known and documented Lord of David being referred to during that time, YHWH or the unborn and unknown Jesus Christ of the New testament?
4) When was the fulfillment of the actual prophetic vision took place ( before or after the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
5) When did Jesus Christ asked the Jews of the subject matter at hand.... during the time when he was still alive or right after his resurrection?

Now, If the actual fulfillment of David's prophetic vision took place after the resurection of the Christ, who came into this world and became flesh, then, David's "Lord" was not just a mere man - as you would like others to believe - but the God of the old testament (THY MAKER) who became the God whole earth after his resurrection... as prohesied in the book of Isaiah 54.

Read and learn...

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker (YHWH) is thine husband (Son); the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer(Son) the Holy One of Israel; THE GOD OF THE WHOLE EARTH SHALL HE BE CALLED.

Conclusion: Jesus Christ is YHWH himself, the Son of the unknown (name) invisible God Father - who is Spirit without physical shape or form.

Insertions are mine of course, for your understranding. Let me know if you need more help.

God Bless

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