007 - Science Examines Creationism

007 - Science Examines Creationism

JVH
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July 6th, 2011, 10:25 am #1


 

Is Creationism Scientific?

<font size="1">Apologetic creationists make the claim that the order and timing of the events described in Genesis are scientifically accurate, and thus could only be the result of divine knowledge (notwithstanding the fact that a proper argument requires at least two premises and a conclusion to be valid).

Are the apologetic creationists right? Is Genesis accurate in the order and timing of the events it describes in the creation accounts? Is Genesis a historical narrative that accurately describes the appearence of life?

Even a cursory examination shows it is not.
To see how so, let's go through the creation accounts verse by verse.......
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No matter the nature of the proposition, if it is explicitly posed as a truth statement, then what it necessarily infers and implies must and should be true as well. If not, then there's something amiss with the explicitly posed.

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<div> </div><div> </div><div>Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."</div>
Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."



Just like that.

 

According to the Genesis account, the oceans come from water that was already existing when the earth was formed: the "waters above" and "the waters below". From the description given, it appears that the Genesis writers assumed that the entire earth was covered with water, and that the dry land was formed by moving all that water to specific locations to form the oceans.

Scientifically, we know this to be untrue.

There has never been a time in earth's history when its surface was covered with water. In fact, the early earth had no liquid water at all on its surface. It wasn't until millions of years after it accreted that the earth began accumulating water, in the form of volcanic outgassing and impacts of ice comets.

 

To be continued


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Tim
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July 6th, 2011, 10:17 pm #2

If you don't believe the Bible is true then believe what ever you want.
Your going to believe what ever you want to anyway right JVH?

But if you don't believe the truth, you just won't be around anymore.
And that's the simplest truth I can tell you.

Carry On Wayward Son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB17uWuBrL0

Tim

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Kansas
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July 7th, 2011, 5:06 am #3

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Tim
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July 7th, 2011, 5:41 am #4

We are children of HE who made the wind and the air.

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Joni
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July 7th, 2011, 6:47 am #5

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Tim
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July 7th, 2011, 8:24 am #6

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July 7th, 2011, 1:53 pm #7

If you don't believe the Bible is true then believe what ever you want.
Your going to believe what ever you want to anyway right JVH?

But if you don't believe the truth, you just won't be around anymore.
And that's the simplest truth I can tell you.

Carry On Wayward Son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB17uWuBrL0

Tim
Why would anyone want to rewrite the Bible? It's a historic work of fiction. It's not that great of a book in a literary sense, but it's fables did have a hand in shaping Western culture up until the 17th century CE, when Reason and scientific advancements started to take over.

As for myself, I only want it kept out of public school science classes.

It's OK to discuss it in mythology class (since it IS a mythology book), in history class (regarding it's impact on Western culture), and in literature class.


"If you want history or fact in your Bible, you are so screwed! It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza." -- Penn Jillette

Actually, I WANT more people to read the bible. It's one of the best tools out there for turning Christians into atheists.

"Atheism is an effect of knowledge about religion, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists." -- Dave Silverman, President of American Atheists

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"Forget Jesus! Stars died so you could be here today." -- Dr. Lawrence Krauss, theoretical physicist
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Tim
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July 8th, 2011, 8:07 am #8

So you want to indoctrinate children Doc?.. Sick and sad.
And you want to control what the public does and teaches. Mad man. Insane.

I think you told me too much about yourself Doc.
Now I realize your a deeply sickened man.

The only single word that comes to mind is "icky".
But thanks for being honest Doc, I can respect that.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Tim

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July 8th, 2011, 8:54 am #9

In your previous honest post, what you told me about yourself is your stance on your beliefs is exactly the same stance as a Catholic Bishop or Pope.
Did you realize that Doc?.. The same stance.

Kind of a dictatorship of one and only one way of thinking.

Isn't that ironic?.. Have you ever seen yourself in that view?

Controlling what the public thinks, is the Vatican practice. And you said that is your principle practice Doc.

Did that ever occur to you Doc Strange?

You could very well be a Jesuit Priest Doc.

Any thoughts?

Tim

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July 8th, 2011, 12:59 pm #10

So you want to indoctrinate children Doc?.. Sick and sad.
And you want to control what the public does and teaches. Mad man. Insane.

I think you told me too much about yourself Doc.
Now I realize your a deeply sickened man.

The only single word that comes to mind is "icky".
But thanks for being honest Doc, I can respect that.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Tim
Tim said: So you want to indoctrinate children Doc?..

Nonsense, Tim. I just want your fairy tales kept out of public school science classrooms. You want your kids to learn about Hebrew fables in science class? Send them to a private, privately-funded, Christian school, paid for by you, and not me.

Tim said: And you want to control what the public does and teaches.

Complete and utter horse hockey, my deluded friend. Notice the word PUBLIC in "public school"? Public schools are paid for with tax payer $$$. Since it's paid for with tax payer dollars, it has to be accommodating to ALL tax payers. Since ALL tax payers are made up of MANY religions and alot of non-religious people, public schools MUST be secular.

Public schools cannot favor your Christian myths over the myths of other religions, so public schools have to be secular, according to the US Constitution. Sorry.

Once again, want your myths to be taught to your kids in school? Send them to a private, privately-funded, Christian school, paid for by you, and not me.

Tim said: For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.... (SNIP)

Please, spare me the rantings about your imaginary friend. Some of us grew up and no longer need a thumb to suck or a skirt to hold... and definitely didn't need an imaginary friend.

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