003 - Science Examines Creationism

003 - Science Examines Creationism

JVH
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July 1st, 2011, 6:02 am #1


Is Creationism Scientific?

<font size="1">Apologetic creationists make the claim that the order and timing of the events described in Genesis are scientifically accurate, and thus could only be the result of divine knowledge (notwithstanding the fact that a proper argument requires at least two premises and a conclusion to be valid).

Are the apologetic creationists right? Is Genesis accurate in the order and timing of the events it describes in the creation accounts? Is Genesis a historical narrative that accurately describes the appearence of life?

Even a cursory examination shows it is not.
To see how so, let's go through the creation accounts verse by verse.......
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No matter the nature of the proposition, if it is explicitly posed as a truth statement, then what it necessarily infers and implies must and should be true as well. If not, then there's something amiss with the explicitly posed.

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Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Really?

 

This verse has the formation of light occuring only AFTER the "waters" and the earth already existed. As noted, this is scientifically invalid. The entire universe was brightly lit for its first 300,000 years of existence, billions of years before the earth came into being.

 

To be continued


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rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : incontrovertibility
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -


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Tim
Tim

July 1st, 2011, 6:31 am #2

Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Really?
This verse has the formation of light occuring only AFTER the "waters" and the earth already existed. As noted, this is scientifically invalid. The entire universe was brightly lit for its first 300,000 years of existence, billions of years before the earth came into being.
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Gen 1:3 is talking about our star called the sun. Not the universe nor other stars.

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Seoc Colla
Seoc Colla

July 1st, 2011, 9:01 am #3

Tim, who is it that makes this unsubstantiated claim? Who is the author?
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Tim
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July 1st, 2011, 7:47 pm #4

Tim, who is it that makes this unsubstantiated claim? Who is the author?
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unsubstantiated?
Are you saying the claims of God are unsubstantiated until we can prove or disprove them?

Or are you speaking from the view that the Bible is just one big fairy tail?

I believe the Bible is accurate, and as our understanding of science becomes more accurate the Bible becomes more evident. The churches and false doctrines fade away, but the word of God endures, forever. That's what I see.

If you would separate church teachings from Bible teachings, I think you would agree.


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Seoc Colla
Seoc Colla

July 1st, 2011, 8:32 pm #5

I'm saying that these claims saying this or that are the word of 'god' are unsubstantiated - most certainly. You are very welcome to believe or attribute biblical stories in any way you choose, but that of itself cannot confer authenticity upon them.

There always has been a massive range of men posing as 'gods' spokespeople, but have no genuine ID


It makes life too easy if random statements claiming supernatural authorship were to be accepted as genuine - without even the flimsiest evidence in support.

Surely you can see the huge potential for deception in blind acceptance of that.
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Tim
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July 1st, 2011, 9:28 pm #6

There always has been a massive range of men posing as 'gods' spokespeople, but have no genuine ID
It makes life too easy if random statements claiming supernatural authorship were to be accepted as genuine - without even the flimsiest evidence in support.
Surely you can see the huge potential for deception in blind acceptance of that.
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no genuine ID? Absolutely correct Seoc. That is why we examine what people claim according to what the Bible actually says. I don't believe the world has any spokesperson for God in it today.

accepted as genuine - without even the flimsiest evidence? But there is much evidence in the Bible Seoc. Many many things about today that could only have been nonsense when the Bible was written.

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Seoc Colla
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July 1st, 2011, 9:54 pm #7

Tim, no bible has ever been proof of anything.
For example, hundreds of men garbed as women regularly tell people that 'Jesus said this, or that, or something else' This claim can only be made by people who actually heard what was said - agree? Anything else is simply hearsay, which is inadmissible in a human court, far less a Divine context. Simple cross-questioning to establish truth would rapidly have these claims in tatters. They do not stand up to examination.

Then we have other legions of men garbed as women not only telling anyone who will listen that, not only do they know what they claim Jesus said - they claim to know what was meant by what Jesus said. Absolutely preposterous, especially when they cannot speak or understand the langage used.

Don't you see how incredibly stupid it all is?

Virtually every mental home has, or has had, some poor man, dressed in rags, clutching a bible and preaching peace. Yet the bishops, the nobility of the assorted churches - the ecclesiastical Most High - never go near. Is this your understanding of the biblical Jesus?

Again, without evidence of what is claimed to be truth, I cannot accept it. If jesus really had a message, he sure picked a bunch of half-wits to deliver it.
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July 1st, 2011, 10:40 pm #8

to communicating by book ...

... it's not God.

-Vince
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Tim
Tim

July 2nd, 2011, 6:52 am #9

At the present time God prefers to allow full unattended decision making to us all, or free will. Accept to those in high governing powers, they are to be corrupt and be lead into the beast power.

Its kind of like we are living in a play, this is the script, this is where we are in the script of the play.

I know, it sounds weird and maybe mentally deranged.
Or should I telephone my great great great uncle Florence who still lives in his clam shell in mid Atlantic Ocean? I make a funny!

The script continues as God has planned. A cupcake does not decide what the baker will do.

Tim



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Seoc Colla
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July 2nd, 2011, 3:57 pm #10

This is uplifting if you've been incarcerated in the dark night of theology.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/671360/m ... THAT+IS%21
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