001 - Science Examines Creationism

001 - Science Examines Creationism

JVH
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June 29th, 2011, 11:43 am #1


 

Is Creationism Scientific?

<em>Apologetic creationists make the claim that the order and timing of the events described in Genesis are scientifically accurate, and thus could only be the result of divine knowledge (notwithstanding the fact that a proper argument requires at least two premises and a conclusion to be valid).

Are the apologetic creationists right? Is Genesis accurate in the order and timing of the events it describes in the creation accounts? Is Genesis a historical narrative that accurately describes the appearence of life?

Even a cursory examination shows it is not.
To see how so, let's go through the creation accounts verse by verse.......</em>

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No matter the nature of the proposition, if it is explicitly posed as a truth statement, then what it necessarily infers and implies must and should be true as well. If not, then there's something amiss with the explicitly posed.

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Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth".

What!? No Sun?


There are some questions about this translation. The original Hebrew word usually translated as "God" is "Elohim", which is actually a plural form. Literally, this verse reads, "in the beginning, the Gods created the heavens and the earth."

This is one of several places in the Bible where God is referred to in the plural.

Biblical scholars conclude that these fragments are left over from an early part of Hebrew history when the Jewish religion was, like every other religion on earth at the time, polytheistic, with more than one god.
During this time, the god Yahweh was a storm god; a lesser god, one of many others. (There is also some dispute about the words. An alternate translation has this verse as "When god began to create the heavens and the earth".)

Gen. 1:1 implies that "the heavens and the earth" were created, more or less, at the same time.

Scientifically, we know that "the heavens", that is, space, appeared billions of years before the earth ever appeared.

What about the not yet created Sun? The sun is at least a "third generation" star, which formed from condensed gas clouds made up of remnants of at least two supernovae from previous stars.


To be continued


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June 29th, 2011, 1:47 pm #2

Creationism proposes that life forms on this planet were created because god "poofed" them here, also known as the "Holy Finger-Snapping Hypothesis", a process which Creationists themselves admit there is no evidence of.

So, if the Holy Finger Snapping Hypothesis has no evidence to support it, how does one test it?

And if you can't test it, how can it be science?

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y

June 29th, 2011, 2:02 pm #3

this world is not real

it is passing away

the earth is the LORDS and the fullness thereof

he gives it to the meek

who are these?

those who are transformed by receiving the "mind of Christ' that transforms their ego or individualistic identity to the IDENTITY OF the body of Jesus Christ.........


the head of his church, his body

these souls will rule with him.........

but ruling with the Christ mind

means being a servant to all


this is why few will find this life that is found by entering the narrow road



who wants to give up their ego or their own life for the GREATER GOOD?


Jesus Christ, thats who

all who are one with him, agree with this and that is why they will KNOW HIM as they are known


and be as he is in the world:
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June 29th, 2011, 2:31 pm #4

... you go into a nonsensical gobbledygook tirade about souls and fictional Jewish characters.

Now then, you made the claim that "Creationism goes along with physics". Can you, or can you not explain how this is the case?

Gobbledygook or gobbledegook (sometimes gobbledegoo) is any text containing jargon or especially convoluted English that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobbledygook

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"Forget Jesus! Stars died so you could be here today." -- Dr. Lawrence Krauss, theoretical physicist
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June 29th, 2011, 2:33 pm #5

this world is not real

it is passing away

the earth is the LORDS and the fullness thereof

he gives it to the meek

who are these?

those who are transformed by receiving the "mind of Christ' that transforms their ego or individualistic identity to the IDENTITY OF the body of Jesus Christ.........


the head of his church, his body

these souls will rule with him.........

but ruling with the Christ mind

means being a servant to all


this is why few will find this life that is found by entering the narrow road



who wants to give up their ego or their own life for the GREATER GOOD?


Jesus Christ, thats who

all who are one with him, agree with this and that is why they will KNOW HIM as they are known


and be as he is in the world:
it will prove that what we see is not evolved but a program written and there is no real past as we know it

the program has a past written into it that is never quite discovered as real and everything real has a spiritual explanation:


that is because this program is so incredible that we "FEEL" we exist here.........but when we return to the consciousness of where we really are..........sitting in heavenly places (like Zeus) watching our own lives in this lower dimension, ruling over it.....

we will understand that Zeus gives way to the NEW MAN, the MAN who lived this life and overcame it


this man is Jesus


he ENTERED TIME

to REDEEM TIME


the rulers who tried to rule without understanding the creation


will be done away with by agreeing with the ONE WHO OVERCAME ALL THINGS


he will be the head


along with those who GIVE THEIR LIVES (egos) to make a better existence


the ONE PROMISED IN THE BIBLE


egos don't like this future


because it is the END for individualism


but in reality, there never was true individualism


science has proven we are all connected


but we are not all on the same page


yet we will be

when time has come to eternity


God put eternity in our heart for a reason


so we would want to reach it.....but

what would an ego give up for his soul?

he has to lay down his ego to find it


it is set up so nobody can get out of the reality but those who find it, reach it


so, begin repenting, redeeming your time as an ego and find true life


its your time to redeem
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June 29th, 2011, 2:36 pm #6

it says the stars (gods) fall to earth


the heavenly spirits or gods that rule over men will all fall like men when the LORD appears


I know

I experienced it

just like the apostle Paul who fell to earth when he was apprehended by Jesus


Jesus is not a person but the "MAN" (the great cloud of witnesses who made it over through CHRIST)


and everyone that makes it through the narrow road

becomes ONE with this MAN

he rules in heaven

but he rules over the earth


Christians are subject to him in belief


but till they are subject to him with their HEART


they will not really KNOW HIM


so it is written
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June 29th, 2011, 2:39 pm #7

... you go into a nonsensical gobbledygook tirade about souls and fictional Jewish characters.

Now then, you made the claim that "Creationism goes along with physics". Can you, or can you not explain how this is the case?

Gobbledygook or gobbledegook (sometimes gobbledegoo) is any text containing jargon or especially convoluted English that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobbledygook

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"Forget Jesus! Stars died so you could be here today." -- Dr. Lawrence Krauss, theoretical physicist
we are in a black box called TIME

and we can't find our way out

this is the ego

it THINKS ......therefore it is

and what it thinks is real
is real for it


once TIME IS REDEEMED, the ego falls

and the truth is revealed

we are in eternity already

but we have to overcome the GAME called "THE WORLD"
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June 29th, 2011, 2:41 pm #8

it will prove that what we see is not evolved but a program written and there is no real past as we know it

the program has a past written into it that is never quite discovered as real and everything real has a spiritual explanation:


that is because this program is so incredible that we "FEEL" we exist here.........but when we return to the consciousness of where we really are..........sitting in heavenly places (like Zeus) watching our own lives in this lower dimension, ruling over it.....

we will understand that Zeus gives way to the NEW MAN, the MAN who lived this life and overcame it


this man is Jesus


he ENTERED TIME

to REDEEM TIME


the rulers who tried to rule without understanding the creation


will be done away with by agreeing with the ONE WHO OVERCAME ALL THINGS


he will be the head


along with those who GIVE THEIR LIVES (egos) to make a better existence


the ONE PROMISED IN THE BIBLE


egos don't like this future


because it is the END for individualism


but in reality, there never was true individualism


science has proven we are all connected


but we are not all on the same page


yet we will be

when time has come to eternity


God put eternity in our heart for a reason


so we would want to reach it.....but

what would an ego give up for his soul?

he has to lay down his ego to find it


it is set up so nobody can get out of the reality but those who find it, reach it


so, begin repenting, redeeming your time as an ego and find true life


its your time to redeem
... why should anyone listen to you about science, considering that you reject science?

"Religion doesn't belong anywhere near a fucking science book. The whole point of religion is to reject science. That's it's job. Religion cannot survive without rejecting new ideas. That's the whole point. Science says the Earth is million of years old. Religion rejects it. Science says homosexuality is genetic. Religion rejects that too. Science says, 'Hey! You can't come back from the dead!' Religion says, 'Hey! Rejected!' And that's fine! If that's the way you want to do things, that's perfectly OK. But if you're gonna reject science then you can't start planting your shit in science books! How can you be that fucking stupid?" -- 2, the Ranting Gryphon, commenting on "Intelligent Design".


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Pope Reverend I, BV
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June 29th, 2011, 2:41 pm #9

it will prove that what we see is not evolved but a program written and there is no real past as we know it

the program has a past written into it that is never quite discovered as real and everything real has a spiritual explanation:


that is because this program is so incredible that we "FEEL" we exist here.........but when we return to the consciousness of where we really are..........sitting in heavenly places (like Zeus) watching our own lives in this lower dimension, ruling over it.....

we will understand that Zeus gives way to the NEW MAN, the MAN who lived this life and overcame it


this man is Jesus


he ENTERED TIME

to REDEEM TIME


the rulers who tried to rule without understanding the creation


will be done away with by agreeing with the ONE WHO OVERCAME ALL THINGS


he will be the head


along with those who GIVE THEIR LIVES (egos) to make a better existence


the ONE PROMISED IN THE BIBLE


egos don't like this future


because it is the END for individualism


but in reality, there never was true individualism


science has proven we are all connected


but we are not all on the same page


yet we will be

when time has come to eternity


God put eternity in our heart for a reason


so we would want to reach it.....but

what would an ego give up for his soul?

he has to lay down his ego to find it


it is set up so nobody can get out of the reality but those who find it, reach it


so, begin repenting, redeeming your time as an ego and find true life


its your time to redeem
How many posts...
Filled with this kind of blather...
Are you going to throw down this time...?
Will you stop at two...?
Or...
Do you still have another three or four...
Itching to get out...?

-- Science and Creationism.
-- How the Universe came into being.


Will ANY of your posts even Remotely Touch upon these issues...?
For some vaguely familiar reason...
-- I think not.

-PRev1-
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June 29th, 2011, 2:44 pm #10

we are in a black box called TIME

and we can't find our way out

this is the ego

it THINKS ......therefore it is

and what it thinks is real
is real for it


once TIME IS REDEEMED, the ego falls

and the truth is revealed

we are in eternity already

but we have to overcome the GAME called "THE WORLD"
How does that show that creationism is supported by physics?

Yvonne, you are the queen of the Non sequitur.

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