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July 2nd, 2012, 3:41 am #11

this is the part of why I disagree with mostly everything you say.

According to you, the same process that has been done for years and years(which every player deemed worthy of a contract goes through) is apparently a fantasy because one cake eating college boy with a lawyer-esque agent finds a way to exploit a loophole for selfish benefits.

I dont understand why you are making out like this punk is an honest kid getting a chance because of nothing but elbow grease. Maybe its a habit of being contrary for the sake of it, but the truth is he couldve just signed with Anaheim. They were willing to sign him, the defensive situation is still quite wide open, and it was overall a good situation(unlike Edmonton). He had no legit reason not to stick it out with the team that drafted him. If he actually had a good reason to merit trading him(which he didnt), he couldve just quietly asked and then waited to see if they could accomodate him...rather than DEMAND a trade and make a thing out of it. The team took a big risk and did alot of homework before drafting a raw talent in the 2nd round...the least he could do was reciprocate. What actually happened was arrogant and audacious and it speaks volumes for his character. He was going to get paid alot of money regardless, and barring any outside variables, shouldnt have any problems with money again. If you ask me, the more you think about it, the more things stray further away from 'the working joe finding a break in a cruel world' perception, and closer to 'the 16 year old rich girl that cries because her lamborghini birthday gift isnt pink'.

And just so you know, what he did doesnt screw over the owner. The owner could care less about anything hockey related, as the entry level contract was going to someone else if not Schultz anyways. The ones that got the short straw were the staff that put the work in, as well as the fans I guess. And you think its just dandy, because of some vaunted misplaced feeling of retribution on a flawed system.

The fact of the matter is that behind all the words, you dont really understand even half of what you profess to know. I dont think you really understand the sport in general, and what this kid did means to it.

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Joined: November 18th, 2004, 10:50 pm

July 2nd, 2012, 4:02 am #12

and foot all the bills.They are f***ing billionaires for a reason. Let the players go and try to build their own leaguue,and build their own buildings, with their MILLIONS,and they will find out their own little reality.

They are the "product"...so are Jimmy Pattison's employees,and guess what happens if they demand "equal partnership"...the owners can survive lockouts,the players can't...that's why they are OWNERS.

If I had an employee that demanded equal partership,I would fire his *** or close shop.

KASE KLOSED

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July 2nd, 2012, 10:56 pm #13

not a wildcard.

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July 3rd, 2012, 1:44 am #14

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July 3rd, 2012, 11:17 pm #15




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Thats the rules of hockey, he goes where he wishes.

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Joined: January 15th, 2006, 1:31 am

July 4th, 2012, 12:08 am #16

this is the part of why I disagree with mostly everything you say.

According to you, the same process that has been done for years and years(which every player deemed worthy of a contract goes through) is apparently a fantasy because one cake eating college boy with a lawyer-esque agent finds a way to exploit a loophole for selfish benefits.

I dont understand why you are making out like this punk is an honest kid getting a chance because of nothing but elbow grease. Maybe its a habit of being contrary for the sake of it, but the truth is he couldve just signed with Anaheim. They were willing to sign him, the defensive situation is still quite wide open, and it was overall a good situation(unlike Edmonton). He had no legit reason not to stick it out with the team that drafted him. If he actually had a good reason to merit trading him(which he didnt), he couldve just quietly asked and then waited to see if they could accomodate him...rather than DEMAND a trade and make a thing out of it. The team took a big risk and did alot of homework before drafting a raw talent in the 2nd round...the least he could do was reciprocate. What actually happened was arrogant and audacious and it speaks volumes for his character. He was going to get paid alot of money regardless, and barring any outside variables, shouldnt have any problems with money again. If you ask me, the more you think about it, the more things stray further away from 'the working joe finding a break in a cruel world' perception, and closer to 'the 16 year old rich girl that cries because her lamborghini birthday gift isnt pink'.

And just so you know, what he did doesnt screw over the owner. The owner could care less about anything hockey related, as the entry level contract was going to someone else if not Schultz anyways. The ones that got the short straw were the staff that put the work in, as well as the fans I guess. And you think its just dandy, because of some vaunted misplaced feeling of retribution on a flawed system.

The fact of the matter is that behind all the words, you dont really understand even half of what you profess to know. I dont think you really understand the sport in general, and what this kid did means to it.

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If Shultz had signed with someone you cheer for you'd have a different attitude. If anyone on this whole board is someone who "disagrees with everything everyone else says" it's you. Cry me a river about the traditional way of doing things, hockey is a business, it's not a sport anymore. Hockey players are no different from any other workers, they just get paid more. If someone approaches you about going to work for them you have every right to say "no thanks, I'm not crazy about your company or living where that job is so I'll finish school and then go to work for someone else. It's his life, he can work wherever he wants to, just like you. If you were finishing high school and the local janitorial company or pig farm called you up and told you that since they are interested in your services you have to work for them I know what you'd tell them. Quit your whining, the system is a meat market, and just because it's been that way for 100 years that doesn't mean the system is always right for every player. He didn't rape a baby or beat his wife, he just turned down an employment opportunity for what he considered a better one. He didn't hold out for more money, there is none for a rookie, they get the league minimum. He diden't play the KHL card like some of the Euros, he did what was within his rights in the current bargaining agreement. Plus, it's not like he turned down Quebec to go to Philly, he turned down Anaheim to go to Edmonton. Just because your team couldn't sign him you get your shorts in a knot over it. Quit being such an arrogant jerk.
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July 4th, 2012, 12:39 am #17

"My best guess based on Schultzs reasons for picking Edmonton is that he wanted to play in western Canada, near his home, but really made his decision based on the type of team he thought he could best flourish on, which is how many a free agent chooses his team. The thought of playing with a bunch of young offensive players just like himself, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov, won the day. Makes sense to me at least."

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Joined: October 8th, 2006, 2:36 am

July 4th, 2012, 7:57 am #18

If Shultz had signed with someone you cheer for you'd have a different attitude. If anyone on this whole board is someone who "disagrees with everything everyone else says" it's you. Cry me a river about the traditional way of doing things, hockey is a business, it's not a sport anymore. Hockey players are no different from any other workers, they just get paid more. If someone approaches you about going to work for them you have every right to say "no thanks, I'm not crazy about your company or living where that job is so I'll finish school and then go to work for someone else. It's his life, he can work wherever he wants to, just like you. If you were finishing high school and the local janitorial company or pig farm called you up and told you that since they are interested in your services you have to work for them I know what you'd tell them. Quit your whining, the system is a meat market, and just because it's been that way for 100 years that doesn't mean the system is always right for every player. He didn't rape a baby or beat his wife, he just turned down an employment opportunity for what he considered a better one. He didn't hold out for more money, there is none for a rookie, they get the league minimum. He diden't play the KHL card like some of the Euros, he did what was within his rights in the current bargaining agreement. Plus, it's not like he turned down Quebec to go to Philly, he turned down Anaheim to go to Edmonton. Just because your team couldn't sign him you get your shorts in a knot over it. Quit being such an arrogant jerk.
Say what you want about my style, but Ive been perfectly consistent on this matter from the start. You can ask anybody. So Im not going to sit there and start crying now because some brat primadonna didnt sign for my team under the shittiest pretences. Its clear by now Im not in favor of the concept in general.

But while you are claiming bias or some butt hurt resentment on my part, it seems to me that, if anything, since you have no stake in the matter its easy for you to just say that he should be able to do what he wants, other people be damned.

For example, Id wager that you would react differently if perhaps Kris Russell decided he didnt want to play for Med hat. Whether he wanted to go to the powerhouse giants or if it was the cougers, the reasons would still be self motivated either way, especially if the manner inwhich things took place mirrored Schultz's...which were careless and selfish especially considering how easy things couldve been before he went Lebron on everybody(though Im sure you thought what he did was ok too).

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Joined: December 10th, 2010, 10:30 pm

July 4th, 2012, 12:02 pm #19

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It's pretty tough for you, or me, or anyone else to declare someone as worthy or not to receive a good NHL salary. Garrison is a plus defenceman, is scoring at nearly half a point a game. He is also a power play guy, so he fills that niche. Contracts are not a prize. They are a way for the team to remunerate a player. That's it. If the player is a guy the team wants, then they remunerate him enough to secure his services. If an owner wants to pay Garrison that kind of money, that is their call. As for him being ready or not, he put up very very good numbers early in his young career and is very responsible defensively. He is a great guy to build around as he fills a power play niche and also can give you 18-20 regular strength minutes per game. Maybe there are 60 Scott Niedermayers or Nick Lidstroms floating around out there. If not, Garrison is a hot commodity. It's pretty inaccurate for us to decide from our couches whether a guy is worthy, or capable of being great. But he fills a demand, and will be paid accordingly.
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Joined: December 10th, 2010, 10:30 pm

July 4th, 2012, 12:04 pm #20

not a wildcard.

Perhaps they will clone three or four Nick Lidstroms
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