Value of a Kolpak

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Value of a Kolpak

Joined: August 21st, 2013, 7:47 pm

September 11th, 2017, 11:12 am #1

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
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Joined: October 20th, 2013, 8:03 pm

September 11th, 2017, 11:31 am #2

Can't disagree with that. This isn't about going out and about buying people in, which is clearly what some posters would like. It's about finding the best way to delver a single 'hired gun'. We need to get someone successfully bedded into the dressing room, rather than constantly flying people in for a couple of matches.

The selection is not easy however. We've all enthused about signings who've gone on to make fairly limited contributions.
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Joined: June 4th, 2015, 6:32 pm

September 11th, 2017, 11:33 am #3

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
Agree entirely Sid. The world of kolpaks has changed but so has the world of having a single overseas player for the season.

To me a good kolpak available all summer gives stability and consistency of selection etc. As an example Hodd has not had a look in when handscomb was our overseas or sarfraz but then is back in favour when we have marsh. But this has a knock on effect on the rest of the team selected too.

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Joined: October 17th, 2013, 8:44 pm

September 11th, 2017, 11:33 am #4

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
Harmer at Essex has played in all 11 matches, taking 55 wickets at under 22 each, with four 5-fors.

Vilas at Lancs and van Zyl (wherever he is) may be less impressive, though I can't be bothered to check. You've got to get a good 'un, and that's the judgement call your management team stand or fall by.

Ingram at Glamorgan - what's his status?

There's another route, too, via education. Jordan and now Archer, at Sussex, offered a top education, and they finish up England qualified in their early 20s. Everyone benefits, except Windies of course, and S Africa in the case of those other Kolpaks.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 15th, 2017, 12:41 pm #5

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
Can we persuade Vernon Philander to do an "Abbott" and come to us next season!! Three year deal, every match every format.

Instead of an overseas, not as well as.

We seem to have sorted the batting problems out now after 3 good batting performances in a row (even though it may be a tad hasty to state that yet), so a bowling all rounder is now what we need with Siddy retiring, and Brooks, Bresnan & Patto past their "sell by" date.
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Joined: April 2nd, 2014, 9:31 am

September 15th, 2017, 1:13 pm #6

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
You are aware of Philander's injury record when suggesting this, aren't you?

Also, as a player of colour, he's less likely to go down the Kolpak route.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 15th, 2017, 1:25 pm #7

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
Not aware of his injury record, and is a good point you make re his colour.
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Joined: November 7th, 2013, 8:04 pm

September 15th, 2017, 1:28 pm #8

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
I think we need 2 players minimum to make a decent fist of things next season. An opening batsman allowing Lees and TKC to battle out for 3 (both would play when Ballance is away with England) and a new opening bowler (who preferably can bat in the lower order).
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Joined: June 4th, 2015, 6:32 pm

September 15th, 2017, 1:33 pm #9

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
Steyn or Morkel??
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September 16th, 2017, 8:53 am #10

We've had some discussion about the merits of a 'Kolpak' v an 'overseas' player. I've just had a look at the stats for Abbott at Hampshire - impressive.

County championship: He's played every game and bowled more overs than any other first division seamer.

Bowling: 339 overs producing 45 wickets at 20.09

Batting: I didn't realise he's almost an all rounder with 378 runs at 37.8

I also think he's played every one day game, in the process making a reasonable contribution to a team making finals day.

Chanderpaul at Lancashire. Played 10 out of 11 with 725 runs at 65.91. Again value for money.

Hard to get away from the conclusion that a good Kolpak in the current climate beats a more traditional overseas player, especially for Yorkshire where several 'England' players come and go already disrupting the team. They bring stability and, with the right one, quality. I don't know the figures but I'd guess Abbott has cost Hampshire a similar amount to our combination of short term signings.

I'd now back a decent Kolpak rather than the current overseas recruitment policy.

EDIT: My edit is to stress 'rather than' and most definitely not 'as well as'.
I see this morning another south African as said he is retiring from test cricket

JP Duminy .
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