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November 15th, 2017, 12:22 pm #11

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
Good to see King Christopher Woakes returning to his pre injury form.
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November 15th, 2017, 12:30 pm #12

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
Even with Ballance we are short of quality batting. So they should be planning to rectify this in any case.

Kolpaks are unlikely after Denison suggested on twitter that we wouldn't take that route. Nothing to do with Gale giving it the big one the other year, i'm sure!
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November 15th, 2017, 2:26 pm #13

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
Martin, didn't you once say Rashid is better than Warne?
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November 15th, 2017, 2:33 pm #14

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
And I’m sure they are planning - as best they can. They have in the past in my view. Quite what they should do about the captaincy I really don’t know. They can’t do anything until the Ballance position becomes clearer.
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November 15th, 2017, 2:50 pm #15

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
Wasn't the 'Rashid better than Warne' statement based on their statistics very early on in their respective Test careers?
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November 15th, 2017, 2:56 pm #16

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
Leg Glance, I can't quite remember the full version of it.
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November 15th, 2017, 7:17 pm #17

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
"Even with Ballance we are short of quality batting. So they should be planning to rectify this in any case.

Kolpaks are unlikely after Denison suggested on twitter that we wouldn't take that route. Nothing to do with Gale giving it the big one the other year, i'm sure!"

Also Denison said on his Twitter Q&A that consistent availability of overseas players is a key goal, whilst wanting more value for money. The Yorkshire think tank are severely limiting their options by going down that route.

Every test nation except Pakistan has international commitments up to the 1st week in April, Pakistan touring UK and Ireland in May/early June, play in Asia Cup and go to Zimbabwe in August.

West Indies host 3 tests against Sri Lanka in July, Australia and Sri Lanka are hosting internationals against Bangladesh and South Africa in August.

Even if Yorkshire sign a prolific Australian currently not part of the test squad or IPL, there is a likelihood they will be called up for a winter training camp, an A tour or their state side want them back for pre-season training/One Day cup action.

The best Yorkshire can do for continuity is sign a Indian not playing IPL or a West Indian until June, then sign a New Zealander from July. Gone are the days where an Overseas player can committ to a full season, unless if they are a kolpak.
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November 15th, 2017, 8:06 pm #18

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
"I agree - when five or six players are in the mix for England places, it is very difficult to plan. Root and Bairstow are bankers for the foreseeable future, but Ballance returning to the England set up over the summer was a surprise for many. He got injured at the right time - one more failure in a Test Match and he would probably have come back. On the other hand, many thought that Rashid would go to Australia. He didnt. Plunkett could easily have gone, and could have been a substitute when Finn went home but picked up an injury at the wrong time.

How a county is supposed to plan for any of this I have no idea."


This is where forward planning and learning from past experiences come into play. Looking at the ICC Future Tours Programme will give Yorkshire a better idea on what Overseas players are available at the time of year.

Yorkshire losing bowlers to England duty is not an issue because the club has plenty of credible back up options in that department.

Even if Ballance doesn't make the New Zealand tour, Yorkshire still have five frontline senior batsmen as it stands

Lees
Lyth
TKC
Ballance
Leaning

As Dwight says, Yorkshire do need to bolster senior batting options in the event of injury or international call ups and a replacement for Will Rhodes is still yet to be found.

Identifying overseas players at short notice is one thing, but the Yorkshire think tank are employing a high risk strategy by wanting an Overseas batsman available for a whole season when international call ups for tours and training camps are a regular occurence. The real focus should be on signing senior domestic batsmen as back up, even if it is just for a season.





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November 15th, 2017, 8:45 pm #19

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
We always seem to be searching for that elusive international class batsman who is available for most of the season. That class of batsman, someone close to the standard of a Joe Root or Kumar Sangakarra , are in very limited supply at the moment.

You can probably count players in the world game, those who you can rely on to score runs game after game, on ten fingers. You'd be struggling if you threw in your toes, and none of them would be free of international commitments.

So we end up spending the overseas budget hoping a Handscombe, or a Shaun Marsh, or a Jake Lehmann might do the business. Equally it could be argued they might well fare no better than a Lees or a Leaning or a Kohler-Cadmore.

I hope one season soon we can feel secure enough in our batting to dare to bring in an overseas bowler, but especially with the uncertainty over the availability of Ballance, I don't think next season will be it.

In my view if we can't get a world class batsmen, and I don't see how we can, then we need the best batsmen we can get who can keep wicket in all formats of the game. I know Hodd is very popular with some and a nice guy but I for one have no confidence in his batting, i.e it's an unexpected pleasant surprise when he does score runs.

Cameron Bancroft, if the Aussies don't pick him, might be a prospect.
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November 15th, 2017, 10:47 pm #20

Gary Ballance retired at 51 not out batting at 6 so he hasn't done himself any harm. Runs also for Malan and Vince who I suppose he is in direct competition with to bat at 5. Hear they all got a life, Vince got several.

I do hope he gets in the Ashes team so we can know, one way or the other, who he's going to play for most next season.
"Leg Glance, I can't quite remember the full version of it."

My less than complete recall is that, at the time, after say 10-15 games, Rashid had better stats than Warne had achieved after a similar period and quite a few bandied it about on various social media outlets.

Much of it was tongue in cheek with a bit of hope that Rash might go on at the same rate.
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