The Squad - moving forward

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The Squad - moving forward

Joined: August 7th, 2017, 9:14 pm

August 7th, 2017, 9:54 pm #1

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
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Joined: November 7th, 2013, 8:04 pm

August 7th, 2017, 9:56 pm #2

why do we have the same thread twice?
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Joined: June 17th, 2016, 9:04 am

August 8th, 2017, 6:38 am #3

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
Can't see Callis getting a chance. He can't even get in the 2nd XI.
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 11:24 am

August 8th, 2017, 6:56 am #4

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
Just a couple of problems.

1) Ballance is injured (Back for Spetember?)

2) If we had a keeper better than Hodd i'm sure he'd have been given a chance by now. Brook is thought of as the best potential in the academy and he can't buy a run in championship cricket.

3) How has Fisher been doing for the 2nds? I haven't really been keeping up with that this year but he hasn't been great in the T20s.

4) Do we have the budget for Kolpac wages? We're millions in debt.

Quite simply we don't have the quality with the injuries / internationals out. No matter who the coach is a team with Brook, TKC and players who haven't even been performing for the 2nds in the top 6 isn't going to stand a chance against teams with the likes of Sangakara, Chanderpaul or Cook.

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Joined: June 17th, 2016, 9:04 am

August 8th, 2017, 7:14 am #5

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
Beneath Hodd the two keepers in the academy have been Ben Birkhead and Jonathan Read. From the scorecards I've seen it appears they have been sharing wicketkeeping duties this season.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 7:47 pm

August 8th, 2017, 12:46 pm #6

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
Frank: I assume you see nothing of the 2nds!

Callis cant get a game with them so noway is he anywhere near the 1st team.

Keepers: Read is the better keeper and Birkhead a significant better batsman. Neither can be considered remotely near first team selection.

I've seen a fair bit of the 2nds this year, no-one is pressing for inclusion with the first team with the exception of Waite who at the moment due to injury is playing as a batsman only and to be fair to Waite he's going to be a decent first team player not a 'white knight' saviour of a sinking team.

I realise I've posted this several times previously but Will Rhodes is the stand out player and would surely have played at Scarborough if not leaving. Interesting he's still captaining the 2nds most of the time and will lead them in their T20 finals day later this month at Arundal.
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Joined: March 27th, 2014, 1:24 pm

August 8th, 2017, 2:00 pm #7

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
I suspect Gale is refusing to pick Rhodes out of fear of criticism for letting him go if he does score runs.
Call for TKC..
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Joined: December 28th, 2003, 2:48 am

August 8th, 2017, 2:12 pm #8

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
As part of today's (and several other days) underperformance and the comments made on here and elsewhere it's obvious that many see a lot of our squad as no longer good enough. My thoughts below, it would be interesting to hear others, especially those who see a lot more cricket than me. (I'm referring below to red ball cricket only) I've included the England boys although I know we won't see much of at least 2 of them:


GOOD ENOUGH.
Lyth
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Coad
Rashid
Hodd

WORTH MORE TIME.
Brook
Fisher (hoping next year is a big one for him)

NEEDS TO PROVE THEMSELVES SOON
Bresnan (I may be harsh here but on the basis of this season alone he's been poor)
Patterson (as above)
Brooks (same again)
Lees (feel he's worth one more season and think he'll come good)
Plunkett (would like to see him play more 4 day stuff when fit)

TIME TO LET GO.
Leaning

I've not included Willey/TKC/Rafiq as I see them as valuable white ball players but not red ball.

There's also a couple of less experienced players who I've left out, mainly due to my own lack of knowledge.
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Joined: December 28th, 2003, 2:48 am

August 8th, 2017, 2:14 pm #9

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
Re: The squad - moving forward August 7 2017, 7:32 PM

Based on what I have seen first hand over the last few years we have an issue with player availability, fitness, form and age in varying shades.

Lyth has the talent and attitude as yesterday showed.

Lees had to be taken out of the limelight to give him time away to work out what he needs to do. He is not a one day player so what has he done for the last month as I sense he has messed around playing second team t20 games instead of thinking about four day cricket where we need him. Poor management as much as anything.

Brook Lening and TKC have been drafted in due to emergencies where we have no England players or overseas plYers who normally fill 3-6 so in effect we are playing our reserves in the second team. Brady are out of their depth and need to learn their craft in the seconds but we have no other option unless batting Willey, Plunkett and Rafiq in the top 6 is better.

Our all rounders who bale us out so often cannot buy a run between them. Is Bres overloaded with being skipper? Is there another option? Is Rashid despondent knowing however well he does in four day cricket he won't get picked by England until the white ball comes out the cupboard?

Why have we ditched Patto and picked Brooks? Why does Coad not get the new ball? Why have Waite and Rhodes not been given opportunities ahead of TKC and Brook when both could do better?

Frankly it's a shambles but I'd let the new head coach decide who to retain and who to let go as I fear the current coach cannot survive much longer in view of recent performances, selections, tactics and player retention.
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Joined: December 28th, 2003, 2:48 am

August 8th, 2017, 2:16 pm #10

First message on this forum here but I've been gone from frustration to pure anger over the pathetic attempts at a performance this season.

I think the issues we are talking about have been going on for the past two years now and these collapses are not new they have become frequent over the two seasons and highlight our major flaws.

• gale and moxon need to go we need fresh voices
• lack of a decent consistent oversees run machine since Jaques/Rudolph
• kolpac players are the only option ( number 3 or opener and an opening bowler desperate)
• Ageing players need replacing Brooks, sidebottom, Bresnan and plunkett (injuries and England One day)
• find a wicketkeeper who contributes (foakes, butler, Davies come to mind)
• offer silverwood and McGrath the job

Looking from the outside I do believe we should abandon this year and pick two of the best young batsmen/keeper and get them in at number 5 and 6. Take the pressure off then shield them from the new ball. Relegation should be embraced looking at the pathetic inept performances.

I'd go for (rest of the season)

Lyth
Lees (4 games to save his career for me)
Marsh (potential for next year)
Ballance
Brook
Cadmore or callis
Keeper from academy (can't be worse than hodd)
Willey
Rashid
Coad
Fisher

Nothing to lose now
We have to start to look at Coad as a new ball bowler. Our bowling attack has grown old together. Brooks, Plunkett Patterson and Bresnan seemingly have very little left in the tank and Sidebottom is a month away from retirement. Hopefully Ryan hangs around to offer our young players the benefits of his expertise.
Maybe relegation will offer us a chance to start again in the bowling department with maybe 1 or at most 2 of the older players kept on to balance the experience of the attack.

The batting however is even worse. In the absence of a quality keeper/batsman, this is further magnified. Yorkshire are going to have to recruit heavily to fill in the gaps here. Our cupboard is at the moment close to bare.

The situation is approaching desperate.

I cannot believe how casual we throw our wickets away. Every championship season offers at most 28 opportunities to bat per season. Every wicket is over 3% of the season.
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