The future

Joined: 21 Aug 2013, 19:47

21 Sep 2017, 08:04 #11

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
The step up to first team level is huge and that must never be forgotten. We do remarkably well to progress the players we do.

Root and JB quickly followed by the next wave of England under 19s (Rhodes, Fisher, Shaw, Tattersalls and Carver + Gibson who was on the England fringes) made it look easy - it isn't.

Also our boys are often exposed to good standard, hard and adult league cricket at an early age therefore bringing their development forward with others perhaps catching up in the late teenage years? How someone progresses from 18 to 20 usually defines whether they'll make the grade and movement though 2nd team cricket for the very best is often rapid.

Of the current crop, I like Waite (a lot), Brook, Barnes, Anjam and Shutt. If Ben Birkhead can improve his keeping, he's also got a chance. Logan seemed to be a 'good'un but has stalled a bit. Warner is held in high regard but I've seen little of him.

Others such as Wainman, Thompson, Callis appear unlikely to see much / any first team cricket.

I expect Ryan Gibson to get a go elsewhere especially as a 'white' ball cricketer.

One point to note is the incredible record our coaches have in deciding who to retain and who to let go - I cant think of anyone coming back to haunt us. Rhodes may, but he's asked to go to seek more 1st team opportunities - fair enough and Gibson has effectively been sacked due to disciplinary problems, again, fair enough.
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

21 Sep 2017, 08:05 #12

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
Keep seeing his name, he may not quite have it as a top class batsman but he refuses to lie down.

Marvelous story if he did make it.
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Joined: 17 Jun 2016, 09:04

21 Sep 2017, 08:13 #13

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
Hussain has played a couple of 2nd XI games for Leicestershire this summer.
Ryan Gibson played for England U19s when only just turned 17 in 2012/2013 in four one day internationals in South Africa.
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Joined: 21 Jan 2004, 19:13

21 Sep 2017, 22:41 #14

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
I have to back Sid's com!ent up.

In the past 10-20 years Yorks have let quite a few players go. Often there are posts on here suggesting that the coaching staff have got it wrong doing so. Whilst a few have had a career elsewhere the only players who've really 'made it's in the past 20 years have been Michael Lumb, who left rather than being released, Alex Wharfe (who was just unlucky that we had better bowlers available) and James Middleton (who was overtaken by Richard Dawson but let go by an Aussie coach who kept on a poorer Australian born spinner, namely Andy Gray)
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

22 Sep 2017, 08:38 #15

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
I don't think Mo Hussain is unique in playing for the England U19s and not getting a Yorkshire contract. Wasn't there a leg spinner called Mark Boocock who did the same?
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Joined: 17 Jun 2016, 09:04

22 Sep 2017, 09:50 #16

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
Mark Boocock? Don't know that name. Not on the Yorkshire archive and that has players who played for the first XI and the teams below.
http://cricketarchive.com/Yorkshire/Pla ... index.html
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

22 Sep 2017, 10:07 #17

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
Boocock, Leeds-born, seems to have played for England U19 around 1980. He went on to play for Cheshire, Worcs II and MCC (one game in 1999 or thereabouts - info from "Cricinfo" is quite vague). Perhaps he was a Cheshire junior rather than a Yorkshire one. I suppose that at least makes him a player who was with England U19 but didn't get a first-class county contract.
I've a strange feeling that he may have gone on to be an airline pilot, but I may be confusing him with someone else.
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Joined: 17 Jun 2016, 09:04

22 Sep 2017, 10:40 #18

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
I think John Sadler never got a professional contract at Yorkshire but played for England U19s at turn of the century. May have played 1 list A game for us as an Academy player and went to Leicestershire.
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Joined: 11 Dec 2013, 16:47

23 Sep 2017, 06:42 #19

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
DJolly- one of the main areas the first team have a problem in my view is the spinner in red ball cricket. Rashid doesn't play enough, Rafiq not good enough.
In your opinion is there a young spinner worthy of getting a chance at the moment? Or are have they not developed enough yet? Presuming someone like Shutt?
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

23 Sep 2017, 08:21 #20

There has been a certain amount of pessimism on here about the quality of players coming on. I wonder whether we are in danger of not comparing like with like. Three or four years ago we had half a dozen potentially exciting batsmen at our disposal. Root and Bairstow have moved on to higher things, as, to an extent, has Ballance. Lees, Leaning and Rhodes have not quite yet fulfilled early promise, but are still relatively young. Expectation that the club could continue to produce players of that quality like a conveyor belt was unrealistic.
You do not, however, need to be a Root or a Bairstow to serve a county side well.
During the season the second team won the 50 over competition with a very young side. At 24 James Wainman was the oldest Yorkshire player in the final. Also within the same age group, but not playing were Leaning, Coad, T K-C and Shaw (who at 21 incidentally, already has 53 first class wickets).
While success in a 50 over competition may not be an exact indicator of first class potential, it does suggest the existence of some talent.
The Academy side has performed consistently well in the Yorkshire League, and might well have won it this year but for a vengeful innings from Gibson and a masterclass from Rhodes for Stamford Bridge in the penultimate game.
The 15's are national champions with just one defeat in four seasons.
So there is plenty of potential for the coaches to work with. The headache for Moxon & co. is identifying the best of the best and then keeping them all happy and motivated. Ambitious young men in a time-limited career will not be content with second team cricket. Rhodes is an obvious case. But those decisions are what the managers and coaches are paid to make. We must trust them to make the right choices.
I think this guy also born in Yorkshire and played England under 19s but never for Yorkshire.

He may have come through the Durham route although he will have been too young to play first class cricket for them.

Played against him many times too. Fast bowler of same age as Jarvis and sometimes the same team at Marske (marsker can confirm) but also a Saltburn player. No idea why the link references Sri Lanka unless that's where he toured with the under 19s around 1983/4

http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/co ... 38151.html
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