Team in decline

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Team in decline

Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

June 28th, 2017, 9:49 am #1

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
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Joined: October 21st, 2013, 1:37 pm

June 28th, 2017, 9:53 am #2

see my post on my first match.
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Joined: October 17th, 2013, 8:44 pm

June 28th, 2017, 10:19 am #3

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Just the life-cycle of a team. Compare England rugby after winning 2003 World Cup, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples from soccer.

The best teams have a nice mixture of ages. Liverpool FC even used to pension off good players only just past their prime, so the mixture always stayed about the same. YCCC have almost managed this, with the exception of the pace bowling attack. It needed just one of the Sanderson, Hannon-Dalby, Lee group to make it, and we would have been fine.

But now the ageing attack is wilting, if only a little, and suddenly our batsmen (minus England players) find themselves under scoreboard pressure which, until now, had been something WE did to others.

Our production line of young players should see us through any potential crisis over the next few years, but there's no guarantee against relegation. Somerset are a very good side and they could go down because, in their case, it's the batsmen who are in decline.

What is important is that fielding standards do not slip, and it is this aspect that worries me most. We were so flat in this game; I never even heard Bairstow, and only Lyth a couple of times, in contrast to the buzz down at Somerset, where Hodd and Carver were particularly lively, and Rafiq passionate and noisy.

We don't seem to be getting much from our Aussie. I suppose there had to be ONE who wasn't a big mouth.
Bowlers win matches
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Joined: August 7th, 2014, 4:58 pm

June 28th, 2017, 10:34 am #4

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Sadly the only was was down from the peak of 2014 and 2015. However I don't think we've declined as much as some think, this team will still destroy the opposition more often than vice versa. There are promising replacements for the ageing bowlers (Coad, Fisher, Wainman, Warner) and now may be the time to play two of them at any one time rather than just one. The batting doesn't actually worry me that much, with Brook and Kohler-Cadmore now providing competition for places which wasn't there before. We can still win the title, but right now I think we'll finish second or third.
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Joined: August 14th, 2007, 12:51 pm

June 28th, 2017, 11:43 am #5

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
I wish I were as optimistic as you Seadog.

Our seam attack is in trouble. Anno domini is doing its sad worst. The youngsters can be over-egged. Coad has made splendid progress and will prove to be an excellent replacement for Patterson; but he lacks pace and I suspect may struggle to sustain his volume of wickets on harder midsummer wickets. Fisher remains a work in progress. I have high hopes of him but not for 2017.
The others you mention are either support bowlers or else unproven at first team level.
Looking around, several of the First Division seam attacks are more potent than ours - Middlesex, Surrey, Essex, Somerset,

The batting is out of form but may recover its potency in the near future. At least most of them have youth on their side.

Like Dave, I worry about the fielding, which lacks mobility in the deep; worse, the catching has become more fallible this year. Lyth has dropped quite a few he would previously have snaffled and there have been others close to the wicket who have proved frail.

We may have to reconcile ourselves to two or three years of patient rebuilding. I have every faith in Moxon and Gale. I suspect though that there be one or two discontented sailors on board HMS Yorkshire.
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Joined: December 27th, 2014, 2:25 pm

June 28th, 2017, 1:28 pm #6

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
The fielding is certainly a worry. Can anyone explain the thought process of converting Alex Lees from a pretty good slip to an average outfielder, especially at cover point?
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Joined: July 16th, 2014, 11:14 am

June 28th, 2017, 3:32 pm #7

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Just come back after a few days visiting friends in Essex and met a few jubilant local cricket fans, there is some astonishment but now real belief that this will be there year, so yes there has been a huge uptick in results since Silverwood and McGrath started working together. You have to take into account though that apart from Cook (and he has been available for all of the first 8 county games)they are not troubled by International selections so have had the advantage of playing a settled team. Further the bowling was identified during the close season as needing improvement hence the recruitment of Wagner, Amir and the young South African off spinner Harmer who seems to becoming increasingly proficient.It does help when you are able to go out and buy the finished product, our own Yorkies have to develop the talent.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

June 28th, 2017, 3:58 pm #8

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Coincidence or not? No test calls for Essex and top of the table, perhaps having a settled side helps.

Having said that Warwickshire & Somerset also have no test calls, and both are cast away by a long way at the bottom of the table.
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Joined: August 14th, 2007, 12:51 pm

June 28th, 2017, 4:21 pm #9

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
...and a few decent home grown Essex players as well.
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Joined: September 7th, 2015, 9:28 pm

June 28th, 2017, 4:31 pm #10

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Some mention on another thread on the same lines intimating that the decline has been going on for some time and only some great individual performances have bailed us out.

I tend to think that a fair number of matches turn on a couple of individual performances.

There's been some crazy results so far this season with teams getting well beaten and immediately turning it round and doing it to another team in the next match.

Only Essex have bucked the trend so far and we have to play them twice yet.

I think we will be in the mix come the end of a season when we will be in a better position to judge.
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