Team in decline

Joined: 06 Nov 2013, 09:50

01 Jul 2017, 08:41 #21

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
At last, and not unexpectedly, we have some detached objectivity from Dewsburian. No-one cares more than the players about their loss of form, both individually and collectively.
They are also hurt by the abuse occasionally shouted from the members' enclosures. They feel that the members, at least, should be more supportive in troubled times, not less so.
I recall that David Byas, when captain and then manager, referred to those who hurled insults from the anonymity of the crowd, as 'the hyenas of Headingley'.
I hope that on this forum, at least, we continue to offer support to players who have already given us much pleasure and no little success in recent times.
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

01 Jul 2017, 10:35 #22

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
I mentioned during the RL cup match v Surrey that Mark Butcher said he liked to play at Headingley in those games because the tension in the crowd transmitted itself to the players and made the opposition's task easier.
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Joined: 07 Aug 2014, 16:58

01 Jul 2017, 10:45 #23

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
That doesn't surprise me at all. I sometimes wonder how players can ever enjoy playing at Headingley.
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

01 Jul 2017, 10:52 #24

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
No-one is disputing that we do not support the team even in the bad times, but that does not change the fact that we ARE a team in decline from where we were a couple of years ago. Some of our supporters are concerned about that, but we still back our players at all times and hope that they will come good at some point in the future.
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

01 Jul 2017, 11:20 #25

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
I'm not trying to bully anyone into withholding criticism where it's due. I've made plenty myself in the past. But Butcher's remarks were helpful because they suggest a way the "supporters" can actually support the team.
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Joined: 07 Nov 2013, 20:04

01 Jul 2017, 15:15 #26

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Definitely share peoples concerns and welcome people for sharing them, but I do get a feeling quite a few members of our fanbase are pretty quick to knee jerk reactions (I would include myself in that until I calm down a couple of days later). For example I think it would be foolish to get shut of Lees and Leaning when they still have a lot of time on their hands, but yet there's threads on here suggesting we do just that. A player or aspect of our game could be doing generally ok but then one or two dissapointing outings and suddenly it's a major concern. I think we also have to take into account a few of our out of form players have come back from injury and long spells out of the team (e.g. Jack Brooks).

I suspect this is the case with a lot of fanbases, and I'm not suggesting all or even the majority of Yorkshire fans are like this. Interesting to hear about crowd tension at Headingley being so regular, didn't know that. I would suspect a lot of them are you ger supporters who do not get a cricket atmosphere. I wonder if the lack of success from certain Yorkshire based football teams (one in particular comes to mind :L) is a contributing factor lol.
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Joined: 27 Mar 2014, 13:24

01 Jul 2017, 15:55 #27

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Read those words the next time you get the urge to start another relegation thread!
My darling Maxi
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Joined: 30 Jun 2017, 18:00

01 Jul 2017, 15:56 #28

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
It did seem rather worrying on Monday, and the short bit of Tuesday when there was any play, that the body language of our fielders was not encouraging. As has been mentioned, there was very little noise, some slightly pedestrian fielding and not much to cheer about either.
But Surrey is a strong batting side, Brooks appeared to have an off day (was he fully fit? he seemed to come in off a short run), no Sid and Rash didn't appear to have adjusted back to the CC. It was my first sight of Coad though (living on the South coast I can only manage one or two home games a season) and that was impressive. Fluent, smooth action and he seemed to be the best hope of a wicket. He should have had three but saw a slip chance grassed by Adam Lyth - to the disgust of spectators around me. Is it fanciful of me to imagine that there is something reminiscent of Brian Statham about Coad?
The best fielding in my view came from Root and Handscombe - they were energetic, enthusiastic and always tried to lift the team. I also wonder why Lees has been banished to cover point - it doesn't seem to be his natural position or one he relishes.
When we finally got in to bat, our openers didn't look too comfortable. Joe Root looked a class apart, even though he only faced about eight balls. And Lees did hit one very handsome straight drive to the boundary before the rain returned.
But six hours each way is a long drive to see that........the next time will be in September when we face Warwickshire when at least my wife will share the driving.
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Joined: 28 Apr 2016, 12:45

01 Jul 2017, 17:53 #29

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
Is now the time to NOT renew the contracts of England players and concentrate on the first team and not team England . rashid a player who does not want to play for Yorkshire root who only plays when ecb says yes , and bairstow who just does what the ecb says willey cant get into a test side ,plunkett who cant get into a full strength England side .
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

01 Jul 2017, 18:30 #30

We appear to be a team in decline, in all aspects of the the game.

Bowling ---

Siddy in his last year, and already feeling the strain. he asked to be left out for the current match as he felt unable to bowl 40 or more overs.

Brooks, Patto & Bresnan `s performances well down on last year, maybe age beginning to tell on them also.

Plunkett, Willey & Rashid hardly ever play for us now (four CC matches between them all season).

Batting ---

Apart from one exception, who will be missing from now until early September, we have no one reliable and playing up to their undoubted ability.

Bresnan`s dip in bowling form has also, unfortunately coincided with a dip in his batting, which means not as many runs from the middle order as in the last two or three years.

Fielding ----

Does not appear to be as sharp as it used to be. Catches going down regularly, and the ground fielding has deteriorated alarmingly.

I am sure we will not go down, as Somerset & Warwickshire are far worse than us, but my pre-season prediction of 3rd or 4th is now looking wildly optimistic, and 5th or 6th more likely.

Why the decline. I will be interested in posters opinions.

New coach not up to the job?

No specialised bowling coach could account for the drop in our bowling performances. Last season we had the best seam attack in the country, we are a long way from that now.

I believe, we do need to give AG some time to get into the job, but a couple of "yorkies"at Essex seem to have got up to speed a lot quicker. Look at the progress they have made in a very short time. Division Two last year, possible Champions this year.
"Is now the time to NOT renew the contracts of England players and concentrate on the first team and not team England?"
No, that would be completely insane.
"rashid a player who does not want to play for Yorkshire"
Have you any evidence for that statement?
"root who only plays when ecb says yes , and bairstow who just does what the ecb says"
That is true of all the centrally contracted players. Hales and Broad only play for Notts when the ECB says they can. Do you think Notts should have fired them?
"willey cant get into a test side ,plunkett who cant get into a full strength England side."
When did any county offload players simply because they can't get into the test side? And since you seem to want to sack the players who do get into the England team, then presumably you'd be getting rid of the entire playing staff!
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