Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

Joined: 17 Jun 2016, 09:04

09 May 2017, 12:03 #1

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

09 May 2017, 12:08 #2

I'll be honest, whenever Simon Hughes talks I stop listening.

In terms of Jonny Bairstow, his white ball record, until recently wasn't that great for a lad of such talent, that's probably the main reason he hasn't been a regular for England.
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Joined: 07 Mar 2014, 11:28

09 May 2017, 12:17 #3

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
Simon should know that it takes all personalities to make a successful team, and that "getting on" isn't a prerequisite for being successful as a team. I have no doubt that Jonny isn't necessarily the most outgoing of personalities and maybe sometimes comes across as being self-focused (I recall an interview where he kept referring to himself in the third person, which I found slightly uncomfortable), but to say players don't like him seems very unlikely - certainly the powers that be have backed him - recalling him after his first foray into Test Cricket for example.
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Joined: 21 Aug 2013, 19:47

09 May 2017, 12:56 #4

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
Genuinely surprised by this as JB always appears to fit in well with the Yorkshire players. I've seen him several times at Headingley when England have been resting him often in the Long room with friends and around the team - never picked up anything.

He is obviously very close to him mum and sister, understandably so given the suicide of his father and his mums employment with YCCC, so that maybe makes him a little different from his England team mates.

I think Hughes probably is a trusted source although I tend to agree with the comment above that the main reason for his absence from the one day team is the ability of others and that the (IMO) weak link in the batting line up (Morgan) is protected by him being captain.

However I suspect the other players haven't taken to well to JB opening in the 50 over games for YCCC - a rather obvious attempt to unseat Roy which I suspect the others in the group see as an act of disloyalty and selfishness.
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

09 May 2017, 13:19 #5

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
I'm usually all ears when Simon Hughes speaks. I find him thoughtful and well-informed. On the other hand, I don't know how much he knows about the Yorkshire dressing-room, but I'd be surprised if he has any great understanding of it. "Oy, buggerlugs" is a salutation Southerners sometimes can't properly interpret.
To be fair to Hughes, he is saying that Bairstow should be selected in the ODI side. And the great player who isn't popular with his team-mates is one of the commonest tropes in all forms of commentary on cricket. Take this from Wikipedia: "Bradman had a quiet, solitary off-field demeanour that first drew comment during his performances on the 1930 tour of England. Melbourne journalist Geoffrey Tebbutt, described Bradman's aloofness from his teammates in his subsequent book about the tour." Who else comes into the "aloof" category? Well, Sydney Barnes for a start, Len Hutton, Brian Lara ("For all Warwickshire's success that season - winning the Championship, the Benson & Hedges Cup and the Sunday League, and being runners-up in the NatWest Trophy - Lara was an unpopular member of the dressing-room [BBC website])," Wally Hammond ("Hammond, unpopular with team-mates and journalists, was moody, and uncommunicative" [Roderick Easdale, biographer]). So that's the greatest batsman of all time, at least four of the candidates for second greatest batsman of all time, and England's greatest ever bowler.
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Joined: 20 Oct 2013, 20:03

09 May 2017, 13:23 #6

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
I like some of Hughes' writing, his broadcasting less so. However either a) he doesn't really have the inside knowledge to justify these assertions, or b)he has personal familiarity with some of the squad, and has used fairly intimate conversations as the basis for going public as a journalist. Whichever it is, he would have done himself more credit by keeping his trap shut.

As far as Jonny's selection is concerned, I don't think there's anything very difficult to assess. He's unlucky in that a period of good performances - and the longer term figures don't make an overwhelming case for him - has coincided with everyone else being in form and very hard to drop without appearing disloyal. Rob Key lost his test place when Vaughan returned in similar circumstances, and Jon Crawley failed to make an overseas tour after scoring a ton in the final test of the summer. Jonny's a class above either of those two, but it's the same problem. Really think this was a podcast we could have done without. And the comments about 'going out with the lads' are a bit pathetic and immature. A team of players who did't go out with the lads would be fairly formidable, I suspect, and could start with two rather good Yorkshire openers.
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

09 May 2017, 13:32 #7

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
"I suspect the other players haven't taken to well to JB opening in the 50 over games for YCCC - a rather obvious attempt to unseat Roy which I suspect the others in the group see as an act of disloyalty and selfishness."
I don't think professional (or even amateur) sportsmen think trying to get into a team is an act of selfishness or disloyalty. They generally regard it as what you're supposed to do. It would be a strange world if Yorkshire players were to stop performing for fear of offending the sensibilities of the England squad.
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Joined: 25 Jun 2015, 19:41

09 May 2017, 14:27 #8

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
I have listened regularly to this podcast, there isn't much else on county cricket. I usually find myself disagreeing with Hughes, especially when he's pedalling the new T20 lie about Root and Stokes being available to the franchises, but I'm an adult, I tolerate it.

However, this seems slanderous to me. I have never heard a bad word said about Jonny's character. In fact I have often seen him socialising with other cricketers on his social media accounts. But, even if he isn't the most popular player in the team, he is one of the best batsmen in the country and the team should be selected purely on cricketing factors.

Pietersen was much more disruptive to the team than Jonny would ever be, and there were no serious questions about his place in the XI.

As to Jonny opening for Yorkshire in the 50 over games, I see that as fitting your best players into the XI. If Lees played it would be at the expense of one of the bowlers.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

09 May 2017, 14:41 #9

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
I think this is an appalling comment to make and hope Hughes rethinks his position and view and apologise swiftly.

I know for a fact having seen it first hand in headingley that Johnny gets on with team mates and goes out with them. He wants to play with them when the ecb don't let him. He spends more time watching the team than playing when not with England .

Selfish to open to try and displace ROY? I suspect the team who witnessed and then Profusely tweeted after his 174 v Durham were absolutely delighted to have him opening but they would be just as delighted to have him playing if he got a duck whilst opening.

It doesn't take a boozy night out with the team to be one of the lads these days.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

09 May 2017, 14:46 #10

Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidec ... onwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.
It says it all for me about Hughes that he elected himself the 39th most influential person in world cricket when compiling the "Power List" in The Cricketer magazine.
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