Relegation - Good or Bad

Relegation - Good or Bad

Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

12 Sep 2017, 17:30 #1

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
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Joined: 12 Sep 2014, 18:27

12 Sep 2017, 17:41 #2

It would be embarrassing and humiliating for the short term at least. Whether in the long term it turns out to be a good or bad thing depends entirely on what happens thereafter: how long we stay in Div 2, and if we do bounce back, whether we can hold our own in Div 1.

I'll leave it at that until conformation one way or the other.
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Joined: 07 Aug 2017, 21:14

12 Sep 2017, 17:44 #3

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I think we need to drop down and hopefully blood some youngsters with the pressure off. We are at the stage where tough decisions have to be made. The bowling attack needs to be built around coad and we need to get another fit, hungry fast bowler to replace Brooks, Patterson and Bresnan. I don't know if there is anybody in the 2nds academy who could come in apart from fisher and Waite maybe??

First priority is the removal of the coaching staff and to get a minimum of 3 new players in which would hopefully contain an opening bowler and top order 1000 + runs batsman.

Everything in sport goes in cycles and you can't afford to be sentimental when performances don't warrant it.

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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

12 Sep 2017, 17:52 #4

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
Relegation is a disaster especially if Lancashire are in div 1 as my red rose friends would constantly remind me.

We should not be accepting relegation as a chance to rebuild and blood players. We should be wondering why some players who have shown div 1 ability are now struggling.

DB Close would be turning in his grave at this even being debated! And Fred would be mumbling that he didn't know what we were going on about
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Joined: 12 Sep 2014, 18:27

12 Sep 2017, 18:07 #5

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
Having watched numerous struggling Yorkshire sides for most of my life, expect for six great years, perhaps I have lower expectations...
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Joined: 12 May 2017, 12:32

12 Sep 2017, 18:21 #6

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
Honestly, relegation just will not happen. Ok we need to win one more game, but weather permitting, it will come v Warwickshire. Let's not forget, there are, at the moment. THREE teams below us
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 09:52

12 Sep 2017, 18:46 #7

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
Relegation, I'm afraid, will probably happen - we may be unable to make up ground lost to Somerset given the likely weather at the end of the season - and while it will not be the end of the world in itself, it will seem like it, given that it's difficult to see where the next generation of top players is coming from. We will need some strong and decisive action in the winter to start to turn the corner. At the moment it looks like we're entering a dark place. A new face on the coaching staff might invigorate things if we choose carefully, but both batting and bowling look fragile, don't they?
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Joined: 25 Jun 2015, 19:41

12 Sep 2017, 19:19 #8

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
It may be difficult to see where the next generation of players may be coming from, but who here saw that Ben Coad would take over 40 div 1 wickets at an average of 19 at this point last year?
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

12 Sep 2017, 20:18 #9

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
The last time we were relegated, I said it would probably be a good thing and it was. It allowed the team that won the championship in consecutive years to form and get up a head of steam (though the weather messed up the season in Div 2 and nearly deprived us of promotion).
Since 2009, Notts, Warwickshire and Middlesex have all won the championship after recently spending time in Div 2. Essex are about to do the same. Winning is a habit and it's easier to acquire it in the second tier.
There's a repeated view on this forum that players will leave if the club is relegated. While I remember players leaving Worcestershire several years ago because the wage bill was having to be drastically cut (Batty, Solanki, Moore, Davies etc.) and a similar thing happened at Durham last year, I can barely remember a county losing players because of relegation. The one player we have lost this year, Rhodes, left to join a county that was clearly headed for the second division. Köhler-Cadmore must have known he was leaving a county that had every chance of promotion. I know players sometimes move to "get on the England radar", but all Yorkshire's potential England players are on the England radar already and big scores or lots of wickets in Div 2 aren't going to harm them.
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

12 Sep 2017, 21:51 #10

Relegation is now looking a real possibility, but would it really be such a bad thing if it did happen. It would give us the chance to re-build, as we appear to be out of our depth in Division One. It also gives us supporters some new grounds to visit.

Siddy retires in three weeks time and the rest of the fearsome 4, that gave us the best bowling attack in the Division for the last few seasons (Bresnan, Brooks & Patto) are a spent and ageing force that carry now as much potency as a kids toy gun.

Add in Plunkett & Willeys non-appearances, when away with England or injured (Willey - 2 matches in the CC, Plunkett - 1/2 a match at Scarborough plus 1 last week) and our bowling next season looks even weaker.

Throw in Rashid missing almost 1/2 the season and we are also absent of a decent spin option.

I assume Fisher & Coad will be opening the bowling for us next season, with who else is anyones guess, as no-one from the seconds are shouting out for selection.

If we do avoid relegation this season, it is a certainty next season. Relegation could give the coaching team the kick up the backside they need. Avoiding relegation will just breed complacancy and then things will get even worse next season.
Bad.
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