Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

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August 19th, 2017, 5:18 pm #21

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
I don't think we should have been in a position to have our qualifying hopes hanging on a 'fine margin'.
Call for TKC..
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August 19th, 2017, 5:27 pm #22

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Well said Dwight and Fozzie, all the ifs and buts other some form of empty comfort. However the reality is that its been a 'poor' season by our standards. No amount of sentiment is going to cloud such facts, and my glass has gone out of the window.
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Joined: October 18th, 2013, 9:48 am

August 19th, 2017, 5:32 pm #23

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Dwight did you forget about the 2nd out of 9?

Don't pick and choose your stats to prove your point.

We have fallen short of our own high standards and have regressed from last season but we have still performed well

How any can call lyth's innings as below average is beyond me
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August 19th, 2017, 5:34 pm #24

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
I'm not the one picking and choosing stats, you are. You said we were above average in all 3 comps. I've explained how in 2 we weren't.

Nobody has even mentioned Lyth's inns.
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August 19th, 2017, 5:51 pm #25

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Can't remember who I was watching or who we were playing. But near to the end of a T20 game on Sky they gave out the scored in the other matches being played. Yorkshire needed 20 from 2 overs and the Sky guys said 'Well Yorkshire will win that'. We lost the match.
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August 19th, 2017, 8:02 pm #26

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
(Long time forum reader, moved to join and comment).

I don't want to be unduly negative but I think we have had a dreadful season (my live matches are at Scaaarrrghborough!). I do think that the problems that we have had have been apparent for a few years. In the CC the top order has been largely poor (in the squad, only one player averages over 35 and he has been out with England and injury). Same last year except we had Bairstow as a get-out-of-jail-free card for the first half a season (how many times over the previous seasons did he come in and steady the ship?) and a tail that wagged. We have been patiently waiting for those players (who were been spoken of as England players) to find form - this season Lyth (average 24), Lees (average 22)- while the tail has been much less successful. People on here don't rate Hodd's batting but he has a very similar average to all but Ballance.

So it has been and remains a question of stick or twist? Is it a coaching problem? A confidence problem? A tactical problem? Or are they just not good enough? (watch Lyth in the last T20 and explain how he averages 24 in the CC). I was hoping Willey would develop into a County championship player of quality (the reason he gave for joining) but that has not transpired. Seriously how is such a talented group of players not performing?

The bowling attack has gradually been losing menace over the last few years (Coad notwithstanding) but that is perhaps down to a lack of scoreboard pressure. Hard to set attacking fields with low scores.

Of course, in our time of relative descent, England call ups have played a part but somebody somewhere must have guessed that our best English players would be called up. And that is the time when other players need to step up and show their hunger. This has not really happened. Maybe (before someone else says it) I am expecting too much.

The 50 & 20 have been frustrating especially as it seems that that has been more of a focus. The lack of consistency and failure of the overseas players have stopped us from getting to the sharp end of competitions. This happens but somewhere there seems to be a flaky mentality.

While I do not blame Gale (and note that this season is part of a long term project), I wonder how Gillespie would be faring. Better in the CC is my guess but probably the same woes in the shorter form. And yes I am glass half empty, this is Yorkshire, the county of Close, Trueman, Boycott, Root, Bairstows. Anything short of dominance is failure. We should either be the best or working towards being the best. I see little of evidence of either.
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August 19th, 2017, 8:24 pm #27

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Welcome Andy to the forum, good to have you on board.
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Joined: October 20th, 2013, 8:03 pm

August 20th, 2017, 5:24 am #28

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Yes, good summary. I might exclude the 50 over comp, where for the second year running we reached the latter stages and had to go in with ridiculously weakened sides.
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Joined: October 18th, 2013, 9:48 am

August 20th, 2017, 8:50 am #29

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Yes good summary Andy

Don't think we have much wrong in either of the shorter formats

But we have been dreadful in proper cricket

Why is that?

For me its mainly down to the top order. Opening batsmen's prime job is to take the shine off the new ball....who cares if we are 40-0 at lunch? That's the foundation needed to make hay in the afternoon against an older ball and tiring bowlers...
But too often lyth and lees seem to be getting out due to bad shot selection and we end up 100-4. This is a bad habit brought about by force of habit playing too much limited overs stuff.

Bowlers too tend to get more wickets by bowling non scoring deliveries to frustrate the batsmen into playing attacking shots where perhaps they would ne more advised to wait it put.

Bowlers who constantly get their deliveries left alone will waver to leg stump where it can easily be clipped or leg glanced.
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Joined: July 4th, 2014, 8:43 am

August 20th, 2017, 3:15 pm #30

I have read on here several comments basically having a go at the team and the coach about failing to qualify. It needs pointing out that we had 3 matches heavily affected by rain 2 abandoned and 1 where we only had 8overs to bat. Leics, Derbys and Birmingham only had 1 affected by weather.
These 3 teams that stopped us from qualifying also lost 5 matches. So the weather had a huge affect on our competition.

All contributing factors need thinking about before posting negative comments about the team or the coach. If the team or an individual plays appallingly then they deserve the negative comments. Which in this competition was not the case.
Whilst out massive positive run rate is being lauded as a positive it is reality an indicator of the lack of cricketing nous that has caused us to fail to make progress in T20.

Why can't we play the situation? We have just murdered Northants and proved how good we can be but there just isn't a Plan B with the batting. We will never be successful if we can't change our plan to suit the occasion when we lose a couple of early wickets and conditions suggest that 180 will be a good score but we crash on aiming for 220 and struggle to get 150.

Having said that, our weakness is in the inconsistency of our pace bowlers who seem unable to focus their attention to the task which does beg the question of how badly bust Fisher have slipped back to not be able to get into this attack.

I'm sure it's been said over and again but how do we manage to pick up such poor overseas players, all with great reputations but unable to perform to the clearly higher standards of T20 Blast. Hodd must be seriously considering his future by being kept out by Sarfaraz and Handscomb whose wicketkeeping would be a joke if they played for anyone else and their combined effort with the bat is less than Hodd would have scored at a canter. And as for Leaning being dropped to retain Marsh!! The lunatics have clearly taken over the asylum.
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