Pre-match thread CC - Yorks v Durham

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Pre-match thread CC - Yorks v Durham

Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 5th, 2016, 9:38 am #1

Three matches each for the top two, with the final match at Lords between both sides going for the Championship.

A slightly easier next two, than us, for Middlesex (Notts & Lancashire, both away) and they have the advantage, with 10.30 starts and the "no toss" rule, of being able to stick the opposition in. Bearing in mind that Notts will be desperate for a win, so will, no doubt, prepare a "result" wicket, this gives them a huge advantage, early morning with a new ball and a fresh pace attack of TRJ, Murtagh (back from Ireland duties) & Finn (who is fit again).

Lancashire, at Old Trafford, for Middlesex follows, which, if the wicket is as it has been of late, should be a high scoring drawn match.

We have two home matches before the final week confrontation. Again with 10.30 starts and the "no toss" rule, it is almost certain we will be batting first in both. The last time we lost at Headingley was in April 2013, and it will not be a draw, as with 4 days full play, "draws" just do not happen at Headingley.

Predictions

Middlesex win v Notts, draw v Lancashire.

Yorkshire - two wins.

All set up nicely for the final week showdown.
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Joined: June 4th, 2015, 6:32 pm

September 5th, 2016, 9:40 am #2

I think someone will point out home advantage at headingley is not a given. We tend to do better at Scarborough and the new toss rules especially in September may impact.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 5th, 2016, 9:44 am #3

We have lost 2 from 8 at Scarborough in the last 4 years. We have lost 1 from 22 at Headingley in the same period. So the record at Scarborough is considerably worse.
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Joined: September 12th, 2014, 6:27 pm

September 5th, 2016, 9:45 am #4

I think someone will point out home advantage at headingley is not a given. We tend to do better at Scarborough and the new toss rules especially in September may impact.
If Stu is predicting two Yorkshire wins we must be in trouble. To balance things out, I predict Middlesex will still be ahead going into the last match, allowing them to prepare a "road".
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Joined: June 4th, 2015, 6:32 pm

September 5th, 2016, 9:47 am #5

Thanks Stu.

What's the win record at HQ though, this season in particular
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September 5th, 2016, 10:19 am #6

3 wins from 4 this season at HQ. Not sure of the number of wins since our return to DIvision One, but only 1 loss in 4 years.

As I stated on another thread. Solely from a "winning matches" point of view, we would be better playing all our 1 day matches at Scarborough as we are considerably better at 50 over cricket there, and all our CC matches at Headingley, as we have an exceptional record there and are just about unbeatable (thats buggered it - probably lose our next two matches now!!).
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Joined: April 16th, 2008, 3:44 pm

September 5th, 2016, 10:20 am #7

Thanks Stu.

What's the win record at HQ though, this season in particular
Why are you so certain we'll be put in to bat just because it's a half hour earlier start? If it's glorious weather can't see the earlier start making a bit of difference.
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Joined: March 7th, 2014, 11:28 am

September 5th, 2016, 10:33 am #8

3 wins from 4 this season at HQ. Not sure of the number of wins since our return to DIvision One, but only 1 loss in 4 years.

As I stated on another thread. Solely from a "winning matches" point of view, we would be better playing all our 1 day matches at Scarborough as we are considerably better at 50 over cricket there, and all our CC matches at Headingley, as we have an exceptional record there and are just about unbeatable (thats buggered it - probably lose our next two matches now!!).
Not sure the stats are quite as clear cut as all that. Certainly from a statistical point of view you could say that 2/8 is equivalent to 6/24 losses at Scarborough which compares badly with 1/22 at Headingley. However we haven't played 24 matches at Scarborough, we have played 8. The sample is small (and we know how easily those two losses could have been draws)

Another way of looking at it is % draws and % wins at both grounds and see how they compare.

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Joined: October 17th, 2013, 6:36 pm

September 5th, 2016, 11:37 am #9

If Stu is predicting two Yorkshire wins we must be in trouble. To balance things out, I predict Middlesex will still be ahead going into the last match, allowing them to prepare a "road".
I'm not sure it is a given that a "road" will be prepared at Lords if Middlesex are still top when we play them. Remember Mick Hunt (the head groundsman at Lords) is employed by MCC not Middlesex. He has a reputation for not being influenced by "home" teams when preparing his pitches - even England have moaned at him in the past for preparing good cricket wickets which are fair to both sides and not being favourable to England.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 5th, 2016, 12:13 pm #10

An update on my earlier stats re "home" form from todays "Press".

".....The White Rose have only lost once in 28 Championship matches at Headingley since Jason Gillespie took over as coach ahead of 2012, winning 13 of them.

And Gale said: “We must have one of the best home records in the country over the last few years......."


For Martin ---- Scarborough since JG arrived (2012) played 10, won 7, drawn 1, lost 2.

To sum up......

Headingley since 2012 - played 28, won 13, drawn 14, lost 1.

Scarborough since 2012 - played 10, won 7, drawn 1, lost 2.

I guess that proves your point Martin and probably disproves mine!!. The figures are from yearbooks, hopefully correct.
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