Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

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01 Oct 2017, 17:53 #31

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
The real problem in allowing this deduction to stand however, is the fact that it was not caused by natural causes, ie the weather, but by a deliberate act.

what would have been the outcome had a middlesex supporter done something similar at taunton on day 4, causing the match to be abandoned as a draw and subsequently sent somerset down?
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02 Oct 2017, 00:22 #32

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
"Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent effort." - John Ruskin

I follow a lot of different sports, and have done so since I was a very young man. However I can't think of another sport with such an incompetent governing body as English cricket does in the ECB.

Think of it: In 2016 we had one of the great Championship finales set to go between Yorkshire and Middlesex. A wonderful opportunity to showcase the Championship. So what do the "giant brains" at the ECB do? They refuse to allow Yorkshire's two top batsmen the opportunity to play in the match in order to "rest" them - despite the fact neither YOUNG man had played in the previous two weeks.

This year, the defending county champions are demoted because of a two-point deduction resulting from an extraneous, non-cricket event. Would this sort of fiasco manifest itself in any other sport?

How does the County Championship have any chance of of being revitalized when it is managed by nincompoops such as those who quadrupedal around the halls of the ECB headquarters?
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02 Oct 2017, 08:11 #33

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Alex - it didn't "result" from the crossbow incident. Middx were behind on the rate when it happened. It would have been the same outcome if the heavens had opened at that point.
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02 Oct 2017, 08:23 #34

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
I have no sympathy at all for Middlesex or any other county that gets an over rate penalty. They all generally bowl at an atrocious rate, and then try to correct the result with passages which at worst, demean the game.
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02 Oct 2017, 09:55 #35

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Yep, tough luck. Northants failed to go up due to an over rate points deduction and have accepted it's their fault. I don't see how Alex can pin this one on the ECB but he usually finds a way.
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02 Oct 2017, 10:07 #36

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Alex, in your opinion then what should theecb have done?
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02 Oct 2017, 10:23 #37

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Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Whilst agreeing with Alex that, generally,the ECB are demonstrably incompetent, on this occasion I agree with Cricket Wanderer, and others.The crossbow affair wasn't the same as the usual abandonments and doesn't really sit right(the cruel barbs of outrageous fortune) but, nonetheless, it was the correct thing to do. What were the alternatives- very few if any? A different decision would have been unfair to another county, so given that Middlesex got themselves into that position, they are the most guilty, so to speak.
Incidentally, can anyone recall any other unusual abandonments (George Davies/Davis?)apart?
Edit-in Cricket, of course and in England.
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02 Oct 2017, 11:01 #38

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
The facts are that the match ended up as a draw after being abandoned when a crossbow arrow ("bolt") landed on the field midway through Middlesex's second innings. Abandoning the match denied Middlesex the chance to improve their over-rate, and thus the two-point deduction was unfair considering the extraordinary circumstances.

The deduction should have been waived.

One can only imagine the "sturm und drang" if this had been Yorkshire, or if it had been a Championship-deciding event.
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02 Oct 2017, 11:47 #39

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
But how does anyone know with any certainty that even if they had played on that the over rate would have improved?

It's an assumption. Not a guarantee.
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02 Oct 2017, 13:11 #40

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Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
I asked a question earlier on that has not been answered but i think is relevant to this discussion.

Imagine, day 4 middlesex v somerset at taunton, middx about to lose and get relegated, then someone fires a crossbow bolt onto the pitch.....what should happen now?

If the game is abandoned then somerset unfairly would be relegated, or would somerset be awarded the win as they were gonna win it anyway.

It would have been a huge dilemma.
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