Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

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30 Sep 2017, 20:32 #21

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Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Reading the bit of the article above about Somersets pitch, I can't believe that is even still being discussed, it seems to me that a pitch where the 1st innings was 236 and the 3rd 250-9 can't be that terrible can it?
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30 Sep 2017, 21:00 #22

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
I've got some sympathy for Middlesex. In my view they remain one of the strongest counties in the competition. It's so easy to be the unlucky side of a one or two point differential. Yorkshire have been lucky; Middlesex haven't.
Having said that Middlesex have flirted all season with points penalties for slow over rates and have sometimes used Rayner, rather cynically, to catch up.

I'd expect Middlesex to return immediately to Division One next season.
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30 Sep 2017, 21:03 #23

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
In any case, I'm sick and tired of this approach to the over rate problem. I want to see a whole match played competitively, with the overs bowled at a reasonable rate. I don't want the meaningful stuff to take place at a funereal pace, and then some rapid overs of spin once the game is decided. Lancashire did it at Headingley when we only needed sixty odd to win in he final innings. I'd have been tempted to take as much time as possible over every possible aspect of our batting.
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30 Sep 2017, 22:21 #24

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
The penalties for slow over rates are there for a reason - to give the teams an incentive to bowl their overs at a reasonable rate of 16 an hour.
The regulations as they stand allow teams to use meaningless periods of play near the end of games to catch up on over rates with occasional bowlers who would not be in action at all but for their ability to send down six deliveries in less than three minutes. No one can blame teams for taking advantage of this loophole but the authorities don't have to go out of their way to make the loophole even wider.
Apparently Middlesex's appeal is based on an assurance they received from the match officials that they would not be penalised by the abandonment of the match. The officials didn't have authority to give this assurance. This is a red herring because, regardless of what Middlesex were told, play would not have resumed, even if Middlesex had requested it, if the security people were not confident it was safe to do so. Middlesex were informed the penalty would stand before they started their next match. So their appeal should fail.
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30 Sep 2017, 23:10 #25

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
We let Lancs do it at Headingley. Patting back the likes of Croft and Hameed allowing them to catch up their over rate. We could have sent them packing that day with a deduction.
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01 Oct 2017, 08:48 #26

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Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Regarding the days that could be "saved" by not playing the MCCUs (or put another way, taking away from the MCCUs 3 of the games they look forward to playing the most).

This season the MCCU matches began on March 28. Does anyone want Championship cricket in March?

In turn the MCCU games give the counties a really good game to limber up in a competitive environment. They are the ideal final prep before the Championship. If they went, and the Championship began in late March, they'd need to be playing prep games in mid-March!

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01 Oct 2017, 09:16 #27

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
We'd end up with more pre season games/warm ups in dubai.
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01 Oct 2017, 09:52 #28

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Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Yorkshire's first MCCU match was on the 2nd of April. If I remember rightly they had arranged a couple of practice games prior to that, Lancashire and Derbyshire I think, plus some games in the UAE.

In a perfect world we would keep the MCCU matches and still have time for 16 CC games.

I was going to make a point about the opposition not being very strong and possibly leading to players becoming overconfident prior to tougher matches to come.

Lyth made 194, Lees 100 against the MCCU, we lost the next game v Hants of course when they didn't do nearly so well.

It's probably a better run out for the bowlers, Coad did bowl quite well.
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01 Oct 2017, 16:21 #29

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
Geoff - you are right that there should be easily enough room for 16 CC matches and the MCCU game.

The cause is that the fixtures are now very spread out, with a lot of space in the calendar, which is why the whole English season ran from March 28 to September 29. In various incarnations of past fixture lists, counties would, for example, often play a Championship game with a one-day game shunted up near it.

Essentially it is the block system for the different competitions that has made things how they are.
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01 Oct 2017, 17:50 #30

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ion-furore

Can't be having Somerset relegated retrospectively from here, surely. The whole dynamic of the last match could have been completely different. Any appeal should have been lodged and dealt with prior to the final game.
"We let Lancs do it at Headingley. Patting back the likes of Croft and Hameed allowing them to catch up their over rate. We could have sent them packing that day with a deduction."

thats right dwight, we did. Could easily have cost lancs 2 points, and really cannot understand why we didn't.

those 2 points might have had a bearing on who goes down, us or the lancys....at that stage it was impossible to tell.

I wonder if somerset would have done the same with middlesex if they had the chance earlier on in the season?

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