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January 6th, 2017, 10:49 am #31

Chris Jordan was born in Barbados and the reason he was educated in Dulwich was for the money he could potentially earn playing county cricket and then for England. I don't identify with any of this and when the ECB continue to meddle with the county structure they end up pushing people away from supporting England.
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January 6th, 2017, 11:23 am #32

I'm going to paraphrase. But, there are two ways foreign international players can get a County Contract.

1. Via the Work Permit route. The ECB allow each County one player for the Champo. That player must be an established Test Player, fulfilling specified criteria essentially based on playing a lot of recent international games.

2. Via the Kolpak route. The player must have played in some international games. But, not a lot & not recent. And must have quit international cricket.

That's the law/regulations. But, people do see the Kolpak route as a loophole.

But, YCCC have recently been exploiting another loophole - the English Passport. Neither Jake Lehmann nor Handscomb would qualify for a Work Permit under 1. And, they're not renouncing The Baggy Green. Although not qualified to play for England, they hold English Passports.

Again, nothing wrong with that - it's the law/regulations.

I've always felt that overseas, quality, international players enrich the County game. And, (despite supporting a predominantly Yorkie born/nurtured only policy) I'm very comfortable that YCCC have had Overseas Gunslingers. However.....

I didn't like the Lehmann thing - an overseas, non capped, yet to make his way player keeping a YCCC nurtured player out of the team. Me no likee. At least Handscomb has played Test Cricket. Not enough to get him a work permit under normal circumstances. His flag of convenience passport has done that.

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January 6th, 2017, 11:40 am #33

The passport/visa issue as I understand it is purely about immigration rules. I used to work at the university, and whilst it was straightforward to employ EU or UK citizens to academic positions, it was much more difficult to employ "third country" people as they are known. Here, the question is about whether by employing that person we were displacing someone of UK or EU nationality. So the question is really about the uniqueness of expertise - is the Mathematics Professor from the US providing skills that are not available closer to home?

I guess the same test is applied here - the fact that a player has played (substantial) international cricket is in effect evidence that they are not displacing anyone else with equivalent skill levels. If you have an English passport, no justification on skill level is required. However, isn't this just an administrative issue? It may be true that Hansdcome and Lehmann might not be appointable given their lack of international experience, but as a club we are recruiting them in the hope that they are on the cusp of breaking through. We are not appointing people who we expect to be average county pros. On that basis I think it is perfectly legitimate.
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January 6th, 2017, 11:41 am #34

I'm going to paraphrase. But, there are two ways foreign international players can get a County Contract.

1. Via the Work Permit route. The ECB allow each County one player for the Champo. That player must be an established Test Player, fulfilling specified criteria essentially based on playing a lot of recent international games.

2. Via the Kolpak route. The player must have played in some international games. But, not a lot & not recent. And must have quit international cricket.

That's the law/regulations. But, people do see the Kolpak route as a loophole.

But, YCCC have recently been exploiting another loophole - the English Passport. Neither Jake Lehmann nor Handscomb would qualify for a Work Permit under 1. And, they're not renouncing The Baggy Green. Although not qualified to play for England, they hold English Passports.

Again, nothing wrong with that - it's the law/regulations.

I've always felt that overseas, quality, international players enrich the County game. And, (despite supporting a predominantly Yorkie born/nurtured only policy) I'm very comfortable that YCCC have had Overseas Gunslingers. However.....

I didn't like the Lehmann thing - an overseas, non capped, yet to make his way player keeping a YCCC nurtured player out of the team. Me no likee. At least Handscomb has played Test Cricket. Not enough to get him a work permit under normal circumstances. His flag of convenience passport has done that.

Phil
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http://www.ball-sup.blogspot.co.uk
Lehmann didn't keep any homegrown players out of the team as Leaning wasn't doing his job well enough.
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Joined: April 2nd, 2014, 9:31 am

January 6th, 2017, 11:44 am #35

"But, YCCC have recently been exploiting another loophole - the English Passport"

An English passport is hardly a loophole!
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Joined: October 17th, 2013, 8:44 pm

January 6th, 2017, 12:59 pm #36

I didn't know there was an English passport. Where can you get one?

Jack Leaning will score loadsa runs in 2017, but only if he plays.
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January 6th, 2017, 2:50 pm #37

I'd prefer Handscomb to keep wicket and bat 5, so if Leaning or Ballance can cope with being at number 3 then that would help Fisher get into the side which would be a long term benefit. If Jennings is signed you could still play Leaning at 6 which would help in home conditions.

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January 6th, 2017, 4:05 pm #38

Jennings has a new contract at Durham and is now in the England team. Forget about signing him.

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January 6th, 2017, 4:27 pm #39

That news came out in August before all the mess happened, he'll still be available when England play one day cricket and there is no guarantee he'll be good enough to play Test cricket for a sustained period of time.

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January 6th, 2017, 4:30 pm #40

You've left Hodd out, Jacobus.
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