Gary Ballance

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Gary Ballance

Joined: February 13th, 2014, 9:14 pm

July 17th, 2017, 6:08 am #1

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 7:18 pm

July 17th, 2017, 7:27 am #2

He'll be back before the end of this series, I'm pretty sure he won't face the aussies. I think this is his last chance for int cricket pity. However he'll soon be back hammering county attacks to all parts, all the better for us.
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Joined: August 17th, 2016, 11:12 am

July 17th, 2017, 8:32 am #3

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
His name is Gary Ballance.
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Joined: April 14th, 2015, 9:15 am

July 17th, 2017, 9:18 am #4

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
Maybe this short thread could be merged into the original on just this subject

http://www.network54.com/Forum/274761/t ... y+Ballance....
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Joined: April 27th, 2007, 5:25 pm

July 17th, 2017, 9:25 am #5

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
I was trying to work out the other day whether I'd be richer if I had a pound for every player I'd heard didn't have the technique to bat for England and who still had a decent career or a pound for every player who was going to be the mainstay of the England batting for years to come and yet played only a handful of matches (or, in some cases, never got anywhere near the side). There are quite a few in the first category. Some obvious ones like Clive Radley, Graham Roope and Paul Collingwood. But even David Gower probably gets in there (the MCC even had a special meeting about it - well, to some extent it was about that). I can also remember Henry Blofeld questioning Michael Vaughan's credentials as a test batsman - just before he went on the run that took him to world no. 1. Over the years, we've seen plenty in the latter category. Frank Hayes. Graeme Hick of course, but also Neil Fairbrother. And I remember the late Christopher Martin-Jenkins arguing that Robert Cunliffe would be a successful test batsman for many years to come. I think it was CMJ who also tipped Phil Slocombe for England greatness. And someone wrote in the Guardian a few years back that James Vince was the "best batsman of his generation".
For Gary, one decent score and the talk will subside. A couple more decent scores and he'll be playing against the Aussies.
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Joined: October 17th, 2013, 9:52 am

July 17th, 2017, 9:58 am #6

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
Vince batting at his best and concentrating is definitely a player of Test class; trouble is, success at the top level of sport is all about consistency. The young professionals at one of my local golf clubs had a visit from Ian Woosnam a few years back who told them they should forget about trying to win a tour card unless they could go round their own course in 63 every time they went out, regardless of conditions.
There are plenty of good players around but they have to be able to grind out the runs. I don't have much faith in even Cook these days to bat long . He looks much more fallible than in the past. (he'll probably make 200 now).
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Joined: April 14th, 2015, 9:15 am

July 17th, 2017, 10:59 am #7

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
GB out early again, way back in the crease.
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Joined: March 7th, 2014, 11:28 am

July 17th, 2017, 11:16 am #8

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
I'm still unconvinced that bowlers bowling in the mid to late 80s (because that's all they are in this series) are "finding him out", to use that dreadful expression, whereas bowlers bowling at the same pace in county cricket (they do exist) do not. Maybe test bowlers are more accurate, but we are not talking express pace in this particular series.

He has been the victim of being messed about and selected at the wrong time, and I suspect this (and the avalanche of negativity thrown at him) has once again put him in a place - mentally - that is less than ideal.

Gary has said that he tried to change his technique, and he batted worse - so you have to feel for him. You average 100 in first div county cricket. On what basis would you alter anything?
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Joined: April 2nd, 2009, 12:57 pm

July 17th, 2017, 11:48 am #9

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
I do think he'd have more of a chance if he was batting at 4 or 5 instead of number 3...
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Joined: June 3rd, 2014, 8:54 pm

July 17th, 2017, 12:39 pm #10

seems to really split opinion.

On one hand, you have a young batsman who proved himself as a number 3 with some great scores. Got found out, went back to Cou ty cricket and (second time around) was recalled deservedly so based on this seasons form.

That said, he clearly hasn't changed his technique to the requirement of the international game. He lounges into his crease and still gets caught by the pace>bouncer>full ball .

I cannot see him as an international cricketer. He would be fine against lesser Countries but I fear for him against the Aussie quicks in Oz.

The decision to bat him 3 is ludicrous. If anywhere, 5 was an obvious spot.

What frustrates me more is that to us, he is possibly the difference between winning the Championship or not.

Seems like he is already on borrowed time and sounds like he was a "captains pick".

Anyone got any thoughts on Balance? Have we lost him for good or will he be back with us?
Appalling management of a batsman that probably isn't quite good enough against the very best. The ideal player for Yorkshire, if England finally give up on him and a county career is enough for him.

Went to the test yesterday - first for over 20 years. Enjoyed the day overall (although in part as i went with an old school friend), but this is a set-up that has become smug and self-important. Right from playing Jerusalem at the start of every day - which is embarrassing and patronizing.
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