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January 6th, 2017, 11:31 am #31

Some of the posts have the feel of ..... Leeds Rugby & YCCC have no option but to build the stand.

In particular - a feel of - in order to get a 2019 World Cup match & to get Test matches.

Where's the end of the tunnel? Must we take out a new loan every four years in order to get the next shiny thing? Someone needs to say - stop the world, this business model is crazy, I'm getting off. I'm saying it.

But, go on, I'll bite.

If the ECB need a new stand at one end of Headingley.
So, they can play THEIR World Cup.
And THEIR Test Matches.
Then THEY should pay for it.

Call me Crazy.

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January 6th, 2017, 11:51 am #32

Surely the bottom line is that the stand needs to be knocked down sooner or later - whether or not it is replaced. It is clapped out and there are health and safety concerns. We can cordon it off for a while but sooner or later it will have to come down. The rugby side could do their own thing I suppose, and we could just have terraced seating on our side?
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January 6th, 2017, 5:40 pm #33

Does it all have to be knocked down! Is there a report somewhere that asserts the whole structure is dangerous! Or will be within the next 5 years or so.

Or does it suit the narrative to imply it is past saving and the only option is to shell out a fortune the club doesn't have, for a new stand that may be used for 5 or 6 days a year, if we are lucky enough to keep 6 days International cricket a year.

Concrete failure on the front of the top deck seems to be the immediate problem. Perhaps that level could be taken down, it doesn't seat very many people anyway.

If the club had loads of money of course we'd love to see a sparkling new stand, as long as it was used for other things throughout the year.

But we don't, and the plans should be shelved and the £4 million grant, if it's still available, should be used to get the best out of what we have. Making use of modern temporary seating and modular hospitality facilities for the very few days a year they are needed.
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January 6th, 2017, 7:34 pm #34

The ECB have told Yorkshire that they have to upgrade the stand otherwise future allocation of test matches at Headingley are in doubt. Without the revenue from international matches at Headingley Yorkshire's planned schedule to pay off the current debt goes down the pan :-http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cle ... -1-8319181
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January 6th, 2017, 8:16 pm #35

It is in both the Cricket and Rugby clubs interest to lay it on with a trowel when appealing to the city councils civic pride with reference to the possible loss of International status for Leeds.

The ECB want to reduce test match grounds from 9 to 6, they have already canned Durham. Building a new stand, which might turn into a very expensive white elephant, still will not guarantee Test cricket after 2020.


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January 6th, 2017, 8:35 pm #36

The ECB have told Yorkshire that they have to upgrade the stand otherwise future allocation of test matches at Headingley are in doubt. Without the revenue from international matches at Headingley Yorkshire's planned schedule to pay off the current debt goes down the pan :-http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cle ... -1-8319181
Possible responses to the ECB threat to take International Cricket away from Headingley if the new stand isn't built include....

Go on then. It's one of your heartlands for players & fans. Kill it.

....you can have that one on me ....

The business model is crazy. Counties take on unserviceable debt. In the hope they'll be allowed to pay for an International match. Yes, really. Stop now. Moratorium. The intention was never to drive Counties to extinction via debt. It ain't working. Show some leadership. Stop. ..... etc.

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January 7th, 2017, 10:02 am #37

Does it all have to be knocked down! Is there a report somewhere that asserts the whole structure is dangerous! Or will be within the next 5 years or so.

Or does it suit the narrative to imply it is past saving and the only option is to shell out a fortune the club doesn't have, for a new stand that may be used for 5 or 6 days a year, if we are lucky enough to keep 6 days International cricket a year.

Concrete failure on the front of the top deck seems to be the immediate problem. Perhaps that level could be taken down, it doesn't seat very many people anyway.

If the club had loads of money of course we'd love to see a sparkling new stand, as long as it was used for other things throughout the year.

But we don't, and the plans should be shelved and the £4 million grant, if it's still available, should be used to get the best out of what we have. Making use of modern temporary seating and modular hospitality facilities for the very few days a year they are needed.
The present stand is owned exclusively by the Rugby side. YCCC only have the use of the seating facing the cricket ground. The area owned by YCCC starts at the front of the stand (i.e. the remains of the old cycle track). Consequently, the landlord issues presented by the current stand are not faced by YCCC. The rugby club have their problems to solve in this matter. The question must be to what extent YCCC need to develop the area in front of the stand and the feasibility of doing so, if it is necessary, independently of the Rugby Club.
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January 7th, 2017, 10:03 am #38

Possible responses to the ECB threat to take International Cricket away from Headingley if the new stand isn't built include....

Go on then. It's one of your heartlands for players & fans. Kill it.

....you can have that one on me ....

The business model is crazy. Counties take on unserviceable debt. In the hope they'll be allowed to pay for an International match. Yes, really. Stop now. Moratorium. The intention was never to drive Counties to extinction via debt. It ain't working. Show some leadership. Stop. ..... etc.

Phil
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But we are different from Durham as we have a generous benefactor and guarantor to support our loans and he also happens to be in high places at the ECB so whilst he may have some heavy conflicts to manage I think if we cannot afford to pay our debts then the guarantor becomes liable. Well that's what Amigo loans tried to tell me last year, much to my surprise as I was not even aware I had agreed to act as a guarantor.....
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January 8th, 2017, 8:41 am #39

There is a key fact I would like to alert WRF Contributors to.

Everyone you know today will one day die.

Sorry to break it to you. Including Graves. Maybe "The Trust" will afford us some protection. But, we have a mortal benefactor. Once the unseemly rush for his estate begins, a debt is a debt.

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January 8th, 2017, 9:26 am #40

The guarantor only relates to external loans as I recall. And I suspect that the trust was created in part to satisfy the banks that they could call on something else if Graves was no more. The debts we have directly with the trust are surely unaffected?

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