EDITORIAL | We need to talk about JONNY!

Joined: 17 Aug 2016, 11:12

17 Sep 2016, 15:18 #41

Off the 11 players who get the "full monty", Morgan only plays ODI's and IT20's and of the other 10, 5 have played very little for England over the period (October '15 - September '16) due to poor form and/or injury.
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Joined: 15 Sep 2016, 09:35

18 Sep 2016, 08:21 #42

Nice work if you can get it....Ian Bell
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

18 Sep 2016, 08:53 #43

Off the 11 players who get the "full monty", Morgan only plays ODI's and IT20's and of the other 10, 5 have played very little for England over the period (October '15 - September '16) due to poor form and/or injury.
I keep checking for a press release to say that JB will be allowed to play but time is running out and it doesn't look like it will happen.

My gut feeling is that if the players really pressed to be allowed to play they would be made available.

Perhaps a large part of the reason is that if they played they would be on another hiding to nothing. Both players came in for T20's finals day and didn't exactly set the world alight, nor did JB manage to get us to a Lords final.

Setting them up to come in like superhero's to win us the CC would be putting a lot of pressure on a couple of mere mortals. Pressure they might feel they can do without as their focus is quite rightly on England at this stage of their careers.

We do have the players available to get us a 24 point win if the weather and the pitch allows.

Hope we back our bowlers and put Middlesex in to bat whatever the pitch looks like.
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Joined: 08 Dec 2013, 13:18

18 Sep 2016, 10:40 #44

There is no confusion, the PCA website quite clearly sets it out. The website that you posted is not even capable of getting basic grammar correct so hardly surprising that it doesn't accurately describe the system (and in fact even contradicts itself on a couple of occasions.)
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Joined: 28 Dec 2003, 02:48

18 Sep 2016, 12:02 #45

While I don't want to engage in another tedious game of one-upmanship with you JG, whether or not a website contains grammar errors is not necessarily an indication of the veracity of the information the site presents. In debating circles we refer to that type of reasoning as a non sequitur.

Besides, other websites confirm the data I present.
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Joined: 28 Dec 2003, 02:48

18 Sep 2016, 12:11 #46

The original Cricinfo item dealing with the ECB's decision on player availability for the Championship push. The blog comments that follow are worth a read:

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Joined: 28 Dec 2003, 02:48

18 Sep 2016, 12:32 #47

— 18 September 2016

The Yorkshire County Cricket Club would like to express its disappointment after the ECB refused the Club’s request for Jonny Bairstow to participate in the final Specsavers County Championship fixture of the season.

Yorkshire Members, supporters and other stakeholders in the game will wonder why this permission has been refused. Having been rested for 16 days since he last played for England, Bairstow said he felt refreshed and wanted to play for Yorkshire against Middlesex at Lord’s, where the Club has the opportunity of winning three successive County Championships, a feat last achieved almost 50 years ago.

Although not a centrally contracted player for the last 12 months, Yorkshire required clearance from the ECB to play Bairstow. The Club’s Director of Cricket Martyn Moxon contacted the England hierarchy, but has been refused permission to play Bairstow by Director of England Cricket Andrew Strauss and England coach Trevor Bayliss.

Moxon works closely with England due to the fact that six players from Yorkshire have represented their country regularly over the last 12 months. Bayliss’ approach has been to see how the player feels, and this was respected when Bairstow said that he needed a rest after the Royal London One-Day Series. To put matters into context, other centrally contracted players who are soon to tour Bangladesh and India with England, have been allowed to represent their county in critical matches.

Bairstow has played five days of cricket in five weeks since the Kia Oval Test match, which finished on Sunday August 14.
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Joined: 08 Dec 2013, 13:18

18 Sep 2016, 12:48 #48

The fact that Bairstow has said that feels ready to play and that the club have made this request to the ECB makes a big difference to this debate. At least we know that the club have done what they can rather than just lying down as some have suggested on here- perhaps Nixon's relationship with Strauss et al isn't as good as he thought it was though. I think the England coaching team's management of the individual player is wrong in this instance- that doesn't amount to a conspiracy against Yorkshire but does again show the lack of respect that the ECB has for their domestic competitions.
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Joined: 21 Jan 2004, 19:13

18 Sep 2016, 12:48 #49

— 18 September 2016

The Yorkshire County Cricket Club would like to express its disappointment after the ECB refused the Club’s request for Jonny Bairstow to participate in the final Specsavers County Championship fixture of the season.

Yorkshire Members, supporters and other stakeholders in the game will wonder why this permission has been refused. Having been rested for 16 days since he last played for England, Bairstow said he felt refreshed and wanted to play for Yorkshire against Middlesex at Lord’s, where the Club has the opportunity of winning three successive County Championships, a feat last achieved almost 50 years ago.

Although not a centrally contracted player for the last 12 months, Yorkshire required clearance from the ECB to play Bairstow. The Club’s Director of Cricket Martyn Moxon contacted the England hierarchy, but has been refused permission to play Bairstow by Director of England Cricket Andrew Strauss and England coach Trevor Bayliss.

Moxon works closely with England due to the fact that six players from Yorkshire have represented their country regularly over the last 12 months. Bayliss’ approach has been to see how the player feels, and this was respected when Bairstow said that he needed a rest after the Royal London One-Day Series. To put matters into context, other centrally contracted players who are soon to tour Bangladesh and India with England, have been allowed to represent their county in critical matches.

Bairstow has played five days of cricket in five weeks since the Kia Oval Test match, which finished on Sunday August 14.
I hope the 'we love England's crowd have read the above and now understand why some of us consider them to be the enemy. Basically they have taken one of our players and even though he wants to play said no. Why don't they just come clean & say we don't care about the county who've given us so many players. Or do they want someone else to win the Championship?
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Joined: 10 Feb 2014, 19:23

18 Sep 2016, 12:56 #50

Why do so many want to shy away from the conspiracy argument. Is it the gentlemanly thing, the right thing?

Look at the evidence-

the player wants to play, he is fit and raring to go

other players who have played more cricket recently have been allowed to play

Yorkshire have made a specific request for JB to be allowed to play

it has been refused but no specific, credible reasons have been given.

an opposition player has been allowed to playunder similar circumstances(Finn)


Call me what you wish but, if it's not a conspiracy then I'm struggling to find any logical reason why Jb's not allowed to play, based on the above.



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