Durham problems

Joined: 14 Aug 2007, 12:51

03 Oct 2016, 22:33 #41

Disproportionate, hardly begins to describe the ECB's latest action.
Imagine how we would be reacting on this site if this draconian punishment had been imposed on Yorkshire.
I don't particularly like giving to those that hath, but I loathe taking from those who have nothing.
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Joined: 21 Oct 2013, 13:37

03 Oct 2016, 23:14 #42

have a look at the below the line comments on the guardian cricket article on durhams punishment. almost universal condemnation of the ECB from all counties. apart from one hampshire supporter. and a fine article by george dobell at cricinfo.
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Joined: 10 May 2016, 10:56

04 Oct 2016, 07:41 #43

Not sure why there's so much cynicism over points being knocked off Durham for next season.

I heard the ECB calculated this fairly using the Deductworth Lewis Method
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Joined: 18 Oct 2013, 20:29

04 Oct 2016, 07:44 #44

have a look at the below the line comments on the guardian cricket article on durhams punishment. almost universal condemnation of the ECB from all counties. apart from one hampshire supporter. and a fine article by george dobell at cricinfo.
Knew it was coming but the punishment does seem harsh. Feel for the players and supporters.I too have been there before with Leeds United-its bloody horrible. I wonder how much Jennings knew, having signed a four year contract only a month or so back.
Selfishly, I'm disappointed. Love going up to Durham and for the past few years its coincided with our wedding anniversary so its become a bit of a traditional trip. Cant imagine the wife getting excited about a trip to Southampton.
But, they're still here which is the main thing. They will continue to provide an opportunity to play first class cricket to some of the cracking young players the area produces.
Good luck to them.
The Tuffers and Vaughan show on 5 Live last night covered the story with Ashley Giles, Vaughan and Steve Harmison all having their say. Also a long interview with Gillespie-from his hotel room at The Royal Oak in Wetherby. He goes home on Friday, after the Gala Dinner. I presume anyone wanting to listen to it can catch it on the BBC 5Live website-just don't ask me how.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2009, 12:57

04 Oct 2016, 08:10 #45

I feel very sorry for Durham - and that's not a sentence i write very often.
It seems to me that their expansion was encouraged by the ECB - and their ludicrous idea of bidding for Test matches - who have then turned around and punished them when things didn't work out.
Surely the ECB deserve some blame for the simple reason that every time they were given an International fixture it was in May...
You simply shouldn't be playing first class cricket in the North East in May.
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Joined: 20 Oct 2013, 20:03

04 Oct 2016, 09:11 #46

I'm not generally prone to ECB conspiracy theories but I see them taking the chance to send a message to the counties: you're all financially fragile, you better do as we say.
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Joined: 07 Aug 2014, 16:58

04 Oct 2016, 09:24 #47

I agree. Some of the theories regarding Middlesex/Bairstow etc are tinfoil hatted, crackpot nonsense, but this is different. There's a very serious veiled threat to all financially precarious counties to toe the line. Sadly that includes Yorkshire.
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Joined: 07 Mar 2014, 11:28

04 Oct 2016, 09:43 #48

Dobell explains the situation more eloquently than I could. The situation is complex but some clubs have been lucky in having local authorities who are prepared to write off debt. Leeds City council saw the benefit in an early repayment of its loan which was arguably a win win for both sides. The grant towards the new stand however is just that. A cash gift. Leeds City council has reserves if approx 3% turnover. This is considered appropriate for a local authority. The ECB sits on a cash pile of more than 40% of its turn over. If ever there was a case for stopping the clock and giving back some of the money to its members then surely now is the time. By all means go heavy if counties fail to make the best of it. Durham have got into difficulty having been led by the nose by the ECB. Others have avoided this more by luck than judgement.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

04 Oct 2016, 09:58 #49

But some local councils recognise the benefits of having a test match ground for the wider benefit of the local economy a bit like the benefits from Yorkshire having the Tour de France. Big cities like Leeds Birmingham and Cardiff would see tourism rise, hotels, restaurants etc benefit and they all support together. It's trickier to build the same argument not for a ground in Chester le Street.

We could have moved to Durkar a few years back and suffered a similar fate.
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:18

04 Oct 2016, 11:26 #50

I'm not sure this situation has ever come about before, therefore I find it a bit hard to judge whether it's harsh or fair.
As to the previous test match process, iirc the overhaul was driven by the smaller counties that wanted a share of the test matches rather than the same few traditional grounds. The only way to host them was to increase the size/quality of the grounds to the standard required.
The cash pile does seem large, i wonder what equivalent sports hold?
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