CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

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CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

Joined: December 28th, 2003, 2:48 am

September 17th, 2016, 1:44 am #1

This match may well be for all the marbles and a place in cricket history. A win, and depending on the Somerset result, could see Yorkshire become the first county in 48 years to win three titles in a row with the "dynasty" designation that accrues to teams winning a hat-trick of championships.

Alas, the cricketing gods, the ECB boardroom and the Australian cricket authorities have conspired to see that our three top batsmen (based on average per innings) are not available.

1) Can we overcome these significant losses, and will our deep bowling attack compensate for what has already proven to be a brittle batting lineup?

2) Should Yorkshire bowl first, or toss up and bat first if we win the coin flip? That decision could be critical considering that we must win this match and gain enough bonus points to stay ahead of Somerset if they go on to win their game against last-place Notts.

3) All things considered, what is the perfect Yorkshire XI taking into account all of the variables and the handicaps Yorkshire face?

The latest odds to win Division 1

Middlesex 11/8
Yorkshire 19/10
Somerset 5/2
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Joined: September 7th, 2008, 12:41 pm

September 17th, 2016, 7:14 am #2

Hasn't there been some suggestion from Dizzy that our England players could make an appearance?

The weather forecast is set cloudy, though obviously this could change closer to the match
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
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Joined: October 18th, 2013, 9:48 am

September 17th, 2016, 7:43 am #3

no question about it, we must put middlesex in.

1. 10.30 starts are more beneficial to bowling sides, especially in late september!

2. We give ourselves 2 good chances to win. a) by bowling out middlesex twice (obviously), b) by completing a run chase which middlesex must set us if somerset win (unless they get enough bp's so that a draw will keep them above a winning somerset)

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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 17th, 2016, 9:01 am #4

Rey --- this from yesterdays "Press" suggests we are NOT going to get Root & Bairstow.

"....The White Rose will ask the ECB if there has been any change in the availability of Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow ahead of England’s forthcoming tour to Bangladesh, although Jason Gillespie has admitted he is not holding out much hope.

“We’ll just have to wait and see,” he said. “We’ll keep you posted on that, but I’d say it’s doubtful.

“You always ask if your best players are going to be available, but I think it’s been made pretty clear that they’re not going to be available.

“We feel we have the squad to get the job done. It’s highly doubtful those two will be there.”

As for the team, IMO, Willey, Plunkett, or Bresnan could do a better job than Leaning at 5, so I would go with.

Lyth, Lees, Ballance, Gale, Bresnan, Rashid, Plunkett, Hodd, Brooks, Patto, Siddy.

Agree, we stick em in without a toss with a 10.30 start, as this gives us two chances of winning as Peter states.

A draw is no use to us or Middlesex if Somerset win with max points, so Middlesex will have to declare if the want to win the CC.

Obviously, a win for us is what we all want. For me, my second choice would be a win for Middlesex, then at least then the best and most deserving side have won the CC, instead of Somerset, who have been preparing "dodgy" wickets and have got away "scott free" with no points deductions. The last thing I want is a draw, which would, most likely, hand the title to Somerset.
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Joined: February 13th, 2014, 9:14 pm

September 17th, 2016, 9:04 am #5

no question about it, we must put middlesex in.

1. 10.30 starts are more beneficial to bowling sides, especially in late september!

2. We give ourselves 2 good chances to win. a) by bowling out middlesex twice (obviously), b) by completing a run chase which middlesex must set us if somerset win (unless they get enough bp's so that a draw will keep them above a winning somerset)
Think we need to wait for the day itself to assess conditions but I feel Middlesex have the most impressive batting line up in the competition and by putting them in they could bat long and put of the game.

Then again, our bowling is out strong point and you have to put your faith in them.

Personally, you back the proven 4 bowlers of Brooks Sidebottom Patterson and Bresnan. Plunks has not been good in the CC this season. You could make an argument for his pace at Lord's but I would stick. Rashid picks himself though maybe batting below Bresnan.

Lyth, Lees and Ballance start though I do not like Ballance at 3. Gales captain.

Would be a dream to have JB and Root. If I could have one it would be Bairstow as the whole dynamic of our balance and batting line up changes.

As much as I respect Hodd and he I a decent keeper and ok batsman, for a team wishing to win the league with a suspect middle order, he is a passenger.
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Joined: October 21st, 2013, 1:37 pm

September 17th, 2016, 9:12 am #6

Interesting surrey have won the toss and chose to bat. But it is a one day match, not a four day championship game.
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Joined: August 20th, 2013, 11:26 am

September 17th, 2016, 9:22 am #7

Lewis -- I also do not like Ballance at 3 (Gale at 4 is not good either), but at the moment we have no choice. 5 is his best position. Also agree with you re Plunkett, but I am playing him as a batsman who bowls a bit. If we had a decent middle-order, agree, we would not play him. With our middle order playing as they are, we need Plunketts runs down the order.
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Joined: March 27th, 2014, 1:24 pm

September 17th, 2016, 9:29 am #8

Agree with Stu's side.

Normally wouldn't entertain 5 seamers, but the one's in question are more reliable with the bat than Leaning at present.

Even if Plunkett just charges in and bowls 3-4 over spells of quick stuff, it gives the attack a different dimension.

Call for TKC..
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Joined: February 13th, 2014, 9:14 pm

September 17th, 2016, 9:41 am #9

Very fair point Stu.

In big games you need your big players. Plunkett and even Willey fit into that category.
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Joined: June 3rd, 2014, 8:54 pm

September 17th, 2016, 11:52 am #10

As I mentioned on another thread, a specialist batsman has to score runs not just be unable to bowl. As such, Plunkett should be preferred to Leaning. Leaning averages 17 this season, with one 50. Plunkett is averaging 45 and has a ton and three 50s (including one last week). And, of course, offers a different bowling option.

Player availability (or lack of it) means for me that we must pick an unusual looking team full of all-rounders and also put Middlesex in to bat pretty much come what may. Least worst options and all that.

One thing that has popped into my head. If we were in the one day final today, would the ECB have let Root and Jonny play?
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