CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

Joined: 08 Dec 2013, 13:18

17 Sep 2016, 12:07 #11

I too agree with the above XI and the reasons behind that selection.

One point I'd like to mention: we still have some very good batsmen in our lineup- Lees and Lyth are as good as any openers in the country and Ballance, although not a number 3 in my opinion, is still a Test batsman- just not many of them. A lot of pressure on those three, but if a couple of them play as they can we'll be in with a shout.
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Joined: 27 Mar 2014, 13:24

17 Sep 2016, 12:08 #12

As I mentioned on another thread, a specialist batsman has to score runs not just be unable to bowl. As such, Plunkett should be preferred to Leaning. Leaning averages 17 this season, with one 50. Plunkett is averaging 45 and has a ton and three 50s (including one last week). And, of course, offers a different bowling option.

Player availability (or lack of it) means for me that we must pick an unusual looking team full of all-rounders and also put Middlesex in to bat pretty much come what may. Least worst options and all that.

One thing that has popped into my head. If we were in the one day final today, would the ECB have let Root and Jonny play?
Well if the pitch is anything like this one for the final, then Rafiq becomes another option!
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

17 Sep 2016, 12:43 #13

The wicket for Tuesdays match looks very green (at the moment). It may change with a couple of cuts though.

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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 18:36

17 Sep 2016, 18:02 #14

Angus Fraser was interviewed on TMS this afternoon during the RL Cup Final interval. He was asked if he felt that the Yorkshire supporters were right to feel aggrieved that Root and Bairstow were unable to play next week whilst he as an England selector and Director of Cricket at Middlesex had a full squad to pick from. He got quite "arsey" at the suggestion that he had anything to do with the decision to rest Root and Bairstow. He said he had seen some of the comments directed at him in various outlets and thought some of them verged on the libelous.

He claimed that the decision to rest England players at the end of the season was taken by Strauss & the England coaching staff after talking to individual players to find out which ones felt they needed a rest. This would appear to be at odds with the commonly held perception that the players are simply told what to do regardless of their wishes. Someone posted in another thread that they understood Bairstow had expressed a wish to play for Yorkshire at the end of the season. It would seem odd that an England selector and Director of Cricket at a county club doesn't know the criteria under which England players don't play for their clubs at the end of the season. Perhaps someone on here who knows how to contact Graves or Strauss can ask them whether England players have an option to play for their counties at the end of the season if they wish or not.

Fraser was also asked how Murtagh was available for selection next week when he is touring with Ireland this winter. He replied that Middlesex have a good relationship with the Irish Cricket Union and that Murtagh would not be missing any Irish tour games by playing next week. This of course is the same for Root and Bairstow but it would appear that the ICU and the ECB have different reasoning.
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Joined: 20 Nov 2013, 19:24

17 Sep 2016, 19:24 #15

There is little doubt that Strauss, Fraser and the Lords hierarchy have colluded to have Root and Bairstow rested so they cannot play in this match to help Middlesex to win the CC - it would be a hollow victory in such circumstances. They clearly have NOT consulted Bairstow about his preference and Root is not playing in the Bangladesh one day series. The situation is simply appalling. How on earth is Buttler allowed to play for his county when he is to captain the one day squad to play Bangladesh?
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

17 Sep 2016, 19:26 #16

Angus Fraser was interviewed on TMS this afternoon during the RL Cup Final interval. He was asked if he felt that the Yorkshire supporters were right to feel aggrieved that Root and Bairstow were unable to play next week whilst he as an England selector and Director of Cricket at Middlesex had a full squad to pick from. He got quite "arsey" at the suggestion that he had anything to do with the decision to rest Root and Bairstow. He said he had seen some of the comments directed at him in various outlets and thought some of them verged on the libelous.

He claimed that the decision to rest England players at the end of the season was taken by Strauss & the England coaching staff after talking to individual players to find out which ones felt they needed a rest. This would appear to be at odds with the commonly held perception that the players are simply told what to do regardless of their wishes. Someone posted in another thread that they understood Bairstow had expressed a wish to play for Yorkshire at the end of the season. It would seem odd that an England selector and Director of Cricket at a county club doesn't know the criteria under which England players don't play for their clubs at the end of the season. Perhaps someone on here who knows how to contact Graves or Strauss can ask them whether England players have an option to play for their counties at the end of the season if they wish or not.

Fraser was also asked how Murtagh was available for selection next week when he is touring with Ireland this winter. He replied that Middlesex have a good relationship with the Irish Cricket Union and that Murtagh would not be missing any Irish tour games by playing next week. This of course is the same for Root and Bairstow but it would appear that the ICU and the ECB have different reasoning.
If Angus Fraser was "arsey", it would suggest that the rumours about him are true. You would not get "arsey", if they were untrue, you would just laugh them off or ignore them completly.
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:18

17 Sep 2016, 19:48 #17

Clearly his denial proves he's in a conspiracy.
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Joined: 03 Jun 2014, 20:54

17 Sep 2016, 19:52 #18

Angus Fraser was interviewed on TMS this afternoon during the RL Cup Final interval. He was asked if he felt that the Yorkshire supporters were right to feel aggrieved that Root and Bairstow were unable to play next week whilst he as an England selector and Director of Cricket at Middlesex had a full squad to pick from. He got quite "arsey" at the suggestion that he had anything to do with the decision to rest Root and Bairstow. He said he had seen some of the comments directed at him in various outlets and thought some of them verged on the libelous.

He claimed that the decision to rest England players at the end of the season was taken by Strauss & the England coaching staff after talking to individual players to find out which ones felt they needed a rest. This would appear to be at odds with the commonly held perception that the players are simply told what to do regardless of their wishes. Someone posted in another thread that they understood Bairstow had expressed a wish to play for Yorkshire at the end of the season. It would seem odd that an England selector and Director of Cricket at a county club doesn't know the criteria under which England players don't play for their clubs at the end of the season. Perhaps someone on here who knows how to contact Graves or Strauss can ask them whether England players have an option to play for their counties at the end of the season if they wish or not.

Fraser was also asked how Murtagh was available for selection next week when he is touring with Ireland this winter. He replied that Middlesex have a good relationship with the Irish Cricket Union and that Murtagh would not be missing any Irish tour games by playing next week. This of course is the same for Root and Bairstow but it would appear that the ICU and the ECB have different reasoning.
In response to YorkTyke:

The complaint is not that it is a Middlesex stitch-up - typical cheap journalistic angle. It is that the 'treating each England player as an individual' policy is, at this stage of the season, likely to affect the integrity of the championship, especially when it is implemented so excessively (as in the case of Jonny). We suffer this year (and, yes, that makes me cross), maybe another team next year.

I don't think anyone connected with the game can really think it is ideal or even satisfactory that the 'treating each player as an individual' policy has affected the balance of a title deciding game so signficantly. The issue is not that certain people care about Middlesex winning the championship. It is that certain people don't care who wins the championship or even whether the championship exists at all.


Edit: OK, I see from the above posts that some people do think Middlesex is involved in a stich-up. Come on guys, really?
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Joined: 20 Oct 2013, 20:03

17 Sep 2016, 19:55 #19

As good a summary of the genuine, legitimate causes for anger that we have had.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

17 Sep 2016, 20:23 #20

As I said previously, Anyone who claims there's a conspiracy immediately loses credibility in their argument.
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