Breaking news on Headingley future

Joined: 07 Mar 2014, 11:28

29 Mar 2017, 14:11 #11

It's good and hopefully secures international cricket. Details available in the am.

The Yorkshire Post has full details tomorrow.
As far as the club is concerned paying a lease is no different to borrowing the money unless I am completely misunderstanding this. I think the reason for this model is that the Council would not gift the £4 million nor would they lend it to the club. In this way, the Council act as guarantor but are able to say that they are not lending or giving money away.
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

29 Mar 2017, 16:39 #12

It's good and hopefully secures international cricket. Details available in the am.

The Yorkshire Post has full details tomorrow.
From todays "Press"

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/cricke ... t/?ref=mac

An interesting last para

".....With such a busy international schedule at Headingley that summer, Yorkshire are planning to move some county matches to the regenerated Bradford Park Avenue, last used for first-class cricket in 1996."

So we go £40m into debt so the ECB & the ICC can use our ground, but we have to play OUR matches elsewhere!! It gets dafter by the minute. Something drastically wrong with that!!
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Joined: 13 Jan 2015, 19:59

29 Mar 2017, 16:51 #13

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We could Cut our Losses & stay put. That is an option. Don't build a stand which the ECB need, but YCCC do not. Be positive. Live within our means. Become a Cricket Club again. Turn Rump Headingley into a superb place to watch YCCC County, 50 over & T20 Domestic Cricket.

I sympathise with the view that Headingley has become a Vanity Project. My spin is....

Denison & Arthur do NOT want their legacy to be the end of International Cricket at Headingley. They're desperate men. They'll gamble anything to avoid that "legacy". Even gamble the very existence of the Club. Pushing it into unsustainable debt.
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29 Mar 2017, 17:10 #14

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The situation regarding the need to use outgrounds for County Fixtures, due to the scheduling of a Test and three ODI's at Headingley in 2019, was very clearly explained at the AGM. No-one demurred.

However, concerns regarding security of parked vehicles in Bradford were raised.

Perhaps, it is necessary to revisit the reasons for investment at Headingley.

The underlying rationale is one of producing sufficient revenues to facilitate the continuation of professional cricket in Yorkshire. If that is best done by hosting Tests and ODI's at Headingley, then it would appear that development would have achieved its aims.

The question behind all of this is, "Does YCCC want to be involved in all brands of cricket"?

The answer given by members at General Meetings of the Club has, so far, been that it should.

So the Club then becomes a business which engages in the provision of Tests, ODI's, International T20's, County Championship, ListA Fixtures, T20's and will look to become a venue for one of the 8 city-based T20 "franchises". In other words, the game has moved on and YCCC has moved on with it.

Headingley is not just a County Ground like Grace Road or New Road; rather it becomes an international standard cricket stadium, which can host any of the various types of fixture. The income from all these sources is then used to keep YCCC solvent.

It is a fundamentally different way of looking at things.

A by-product is that professional cricket will played in more places in Yorkshire; perhaps this is no bad thing.
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29 Mar 2017, 17:37 #15

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The debate appears to be splitting into two completely different views.

On the one side we have the "cut our losses and run" point of view with no further debt.

On the other side we have the "speculate to accumulate" point of view.

The EGM, that the club HAVE to call, as they are going into debt of more than 25m, and they can not do that without the consent of the members, WILL decide the outcome.

Just hope that everyone who can vote does, and then we all accept the decision whatever that may be. It will be to late to change our minds afterwards or reverse the decision.



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29 Mar 2017, 18:00 #16

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The problem, BB, is that the income from these high profile games seems hardly to cover the cost of putting them on, let alone the millions that have already been spent (wasted) on ground improvements to qualify Headingley to be allotted those games.

Now we've come so far, it probably makes sense to go that extra mile (or million). And if the spin-off is that it will force YCCC to play at so-called outgrounds, then that's an unexpected benefit.

There could be a problem with parking on Canterbury Avenue (is it called?), but there is no problem with street parking at Scarborough, and Abbeydale Park always seemed to have enough space inside. Harrogate is no hotbed of crime, either, and I parked easily enough just outside the ground on my last visit in 1994 or 95, would it have been? Richie Richardson was playing.

Actually, one of the plus points of Headingley is the safe and plentiful street parking, and its proximity to dining facilities and shops and, of course, public transport. That whole package is not matched by ANY other major cricket venue, and probably only by Hove of all the minor ones.
Bowlers win matches
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29 Mar 2017, 18:48 #17

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Seems to me that worrying about parking safety at Bradford Park Avenue in three years time is the least of our worries! I would love to see the hard evidence that cars are more likely to be stolen in that part of Bradford
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

29 Mar 2017, 19:14 #18

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Perhaps members could park in crime free Leeds and be bused over to Bradford with a police escort!

Come on, you know Scarborough makes sense for the extra matches! Fish and chips and ice cream!
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Joined: 07 May 2014, 14:59

29 Mar 2017, 19:57 #19

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Indeed Martin - there are more immediate concerns ! I've just read through the posts on this topic and really cannot understand the attitude of those who appear not to accept the realities of the current situation. I suspect I am in a minority but I believe the Board have addressed the issues sensibly and correctly and they have my backing. They have reported developments to the membership as and when appropriate in my view, and I am satisfied that matters can safely be left in their hands going forward.
More years ago than I care to admit to, I studied 'A' level Economics and whilst I would not claim any expertise in this field still recall one of the maxims of the Tutor - "Bygones are forever bygones". Applying this maxim to the current Headingley issues (and posts on this Forum), I would say that whatever should or might have happened 20 years ago is totally irrelevant in the context of decisions to made now.
DM -it's unusual for me to disagree with your assertions but I do feel that the analogy of your personal financial arrangements with those of YCCC is a little mischievous and provides little help to the current position and the decisions which needed to be made.
I admit I DO like Headingley as a venue for both Yorkshire and International cricket and am grateful that the situation of 60 years ago as described by DM no longer exists.
As indicated earlier, so far as the proposed development is concerned, I support the Board, endorse their handling of matters to date and trust them to act in the interests of YCCC and its members.
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Joined: 13 Jan 2015, 19:59

29 Mar 2017, 20:26 #20

It's good and hopefully secures international cricket. Details available in the am.

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Go on then.
When Caddick owned bits of Headingley, we were told - Yorkshire must own their own ground & the facilities. It was the only way forward for the Club.

Now we've done the hard yards & we do own the ground. To be told - someone else (Caddick Two) must own bits of Headingley & the facilities. It is the only way forward for the Club.

Come on Board Apologists. Which one is it?

Me, I'm not having it.....

Phil
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