Best ever England team....

Best ever England team....

Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

06 Oct 2017, 08:24 #1

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:18

06 Oct 2017, 08:30 #2

I doubt he actually thinks that, no doubt he was told what to say. He's well known ex-cricketer and the ashes are coming up. Got to fill those cricket pages in the off season.
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Joined: 11 Apr 2014, 14:11

06 Oct 2017, 08:39 #3

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
I can see argument this is the best ever England side in white ball cricket but in tests while not an awful side and have some good players but nowhere near enough to call us a great side.
Sure many people would agree the batting is very weak.
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Joined: 08 Dec 2013, 13:18

06 Oct 2017, 10:42 #4

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Fair comment about the limited overs team- we should really have won the two most recent global tournaments- but Flintoff is clearly talking about the Test side seen as he mentions Cook and Anderson. Nice to be positive but this is obviously ridiculous; there have been two far better England sides in the last 10-15 years (Fletcher's side peaking 2005 and Flower's peaking around 2010), never mind all of the great sides of the 20th century.
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Joined: 02 May 2014, 11:57

06 Oct 2017, 11:12 #5

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
I read an article in the press recently in which Jim Maxwell was saying he reckons this will be the worst England team to tour down under, so I suspect Flintoff's piece could be just to counteract that and any other Aussie critics.
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06 Oct 2017, 11:25 #6

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Best ever England team?

I can think of better Yorkshire teams admittedly the last one being in the 60s before Fred was born. Flintoff that is not Trueman
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 20:44

06 Oct 2017, 11:27 #7

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Which ever it is, I think we'll face the worst ever Australian team out there, apart from the time when their 1st XI was playing for Packer. And even then they had Allan Border and Rodney Hogg.
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06 Oct 2017, 11:49 #8

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
I would say its a strange England team.

On one hand you have Root and Cook, arguably our best two batsmen of the last 20 odd years. Stokes is he goes, who is a huge cog. You then have Bairstow and Ali at 7 and 8 which has to be our greatest batting depth ever in tests. Then Anderson and Broad, two of Englands best ever bowlerz - At least in the modern era.

So from that angle. We are good.

But, we then have 3 batting positions in our top 5 which are unproven or weak. That is a huge concern and I cannot remember ever thinking so many batting positions were available. Then you could argue our bowling lacks a certain variety - A genuine fast bowler and maybe left arm option.

I suppose this answers our inconsistency. The positive is that there are some quality youngsters in the Lions squad, who could grow into filling these voids.
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 20:44

06 Oct 2017, 12:02 #9

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
I think that's spot on, Lew. Dodgy top 5, despite Cook and Root, exceptional 6, 7, 8 (though Stokes's absence will weaken that), dodgy spinner, strong-on-paper seam, without much of a record in Australia.

Australia look similar, with only Warner and Smith any great shakes with the bat. They don't have our all-rounders, but their off-spinner is superior and their quick men could be, if they ever get (and remain) fit. They also have Maxwell, who must be their worst Test player since Ken 'Slasher' Mackay.

Actually, looking at the two line-ups I wonder why I'm forking out £lots to go and watch. Could be the pleasure of travelling, the companionship of friends, a hot sun, and Cottesloe Beach!
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Joined: 07 Aug 2014, 16:58

06 Oct 2017, 12:16 #10

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Dave - however bad the series is, the tour will be fantastic. An Ashes tour is still is on my bucket list, unfortunately. I personally think this might be a very tight series indeed.
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