Best ever England team....

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October 6th, 2017, 2:50 pm #11

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Agree with Lewis 116. No inbetween with this squad. Probably 8 top players and the rest unproven, suspect etc.
Broad, Anderson, Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Cook, Root and Stokes are quality England players of recent times and some would qualify to be England greats. Woakes if he stays fit is a quality all round cricketer and must be the best number 9 we have had. The others not so good.
The 86/87 England team got slaughtered in the press beforehand and ended up winning everything with a similar squad set up. Gooch didn't tour and a few were inexperienced or had been in and out like DeFreitas, Broad, Jack Richards, Small, Athey etc
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October 7th, 2017, 10:25 am #12

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
First team I grew up with in the early sixties included May, Cowdrey, Dexter, Barrington, Graveney with the bat, Trueman and Statham with the ball. Yet we never held the Ashes from 1956 to 1970, and lost home series to WI (twice) and S Africa. Funny game.
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October 7th, 2017, 10:42 am #13

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
The problem with making comparisons is that the strength of opposing countries should be taken into account, like the Bradman era and others with the Aussies or period of West Indian domination or some of the great South African or sub continent countries. There is no way that the squad selected for the forthcoming Ashes series in the strongest ever, but it could be one of the weakest. Unless Cook, Root and Bairstow score big and Anderson and other seamers excel themselves, we could struggle to win one test.
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October 7th, 2017, 10:55 am #14

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
"First team I grew up with in the early sixties included May, Cowdrey, Dexter, Barrington, Graveney with the bat, Trueman and Statham with the ball. Yet we never held the Ashes from 1956 to 1970, and lost home series to WI (twice) and S Africa. Funny game."

At face value it seems inexplicable that a team comprised of such talented cricketers should have failed to win the Ashes. The failure becomes more explicable when with reference to the scorecards of the matches between England and Australia between 1956 and 1970 it is revealed that the players referred to never actually played together in a single Test Match against Australia.
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October 7th, 2017, 11:50 am #15

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

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Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
WE did, of course, win the Ashes in 1953 and 1954/55 (Hutton) and we slaughtered them in 1956, Laker's year. In my opinion the strongest England team of my lifetime, with almost two complete attacks of world class to call upon.

I remember the party that set sail in 1958/59 being described as the strongest ever to go to Australia - and we got hammered! There were circumstances. England under May were very defensive minded, and Wardle's invitation to tour was withdrawn after he had been sacked by Yorkshire.

The surprise, though, was Australia. This was the year of the fast chucker. Never mind Murali, these guys were blatantly throwing them down at 90+ and hitting people. They also had Alan Davidson, one of the great all-rounders now in his prime, as well as Benaud and a guy we'd never heard of, Norman O'Neill.

To a degree we were cheated out of the 58/59 Ashes, and the team went on to beat a very strong W Indies, away, the following winter. Trueman's finest series, probably.

This year, who knows? Come January we may be hailing James Vince as the best player in the world. I bet we're not, though. Australia have no Davidson, though; that is for sure. Mitchell Starc would be the nearest.

Incidentally, Tests in Australia were then of six 5-hour days. It was thought too hot to play for six hours, though I'm sure they bowled more balls in a day than we do, even so. Pre-war Tests in Oz had been 'played to a finish', however long it took; no draws, surely the purest form of cricket, but it led to some monumental slow scoring as the likes of Hammond ground out double centuries without taking the slightest risk.
Bowlers win matches
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October 7th, 2017, 11:55 am #16

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

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Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
The Ashes winning England sides in 1953 and In Australia 1954-5 captained by Len Hutton were two of the best England teams.
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October 7th, 2017, 12:15 pm #17

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

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Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
I definitely don't agree this is the worst ever Australian side. Smith and Warner are world-class batsmen, Lyon is probably their best ever finger spinner and Starc, Hazelwood and especially Cummins are towards the beginning of their careers but all have impressed thus far (as their Test averages of 28, 26 and 25 attest) and look set to go on to have fine careers if they can stay fit.

They're certainly better than the 2010/11 vintage where the batting relied heavily on a 35-year old Mike Hussey as a past-it Ponting and out-of-form Clarke struggled, whilst the bowling consisted of a misfiring Johnson, an injury-affected Harris and a couple of honest triers in Hilfenhaus and Siddle- not to mention the various dreadful spin options tried.
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October 7th, 2017, 12:42 pm #18

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
It'll be a miracle if Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins are all fit for all five tests. The supporting cast of pace bowlers is not as strong as those three.
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October 7th, 2017, 4:11 pm #19

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

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Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
Spot on, Alibor! Though Trueman - and it still hurts to acknowledge this - only played in one Test over both series.

Our success under the captaincy of Hutton makes you realise that his contribution to English cricket was not confined to run-making.
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October 9th, 2017, 10:05 am #20

....Freddie Flintoff`s view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41507153

Nothing wrong with getting behind the team but the best ever? I think Fred is back on the booze.
The mid eighties sides of Australia were worse than the current one. They had lost G Chappell, Lillee and Marsh to retirement at the same time and it was left to ALlan Border to get it right by the late eighties with S Waugh/M Taylor/McDermott/Healy. We even won the Ashes in 85 and 86/87!
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