Another England spinner bites the dust!

Another England spinner bites the dust!

Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

26 Apr 2017, 18:21 #1

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

27 Apr 2017, 08:00 #2

A bright and multi talented lad but cricket was never going to see him fulfil his full potential. A double first and a masters must have racked up huge student debts and a job as a cricketer won't see him clear them til he is retired.

Another talented spinner who could allegedly bowl a legitimate doosra and who also had an England tour with an odi appearance was Angus (?) Loudon who retired early for a job in the city and a brief dalliance with Pippa Middleton I recall.

Phil Edmonds of course managed to combine the two for a while (no not the dalliance, but the cricket and a job in the city).

Up north our spinners had far more down to earth jobs away from the cricket. Usually down a mineshaft or outdoors somewhere
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

27 Apr 2017, 08:37 #3

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
"A double first and a masters must have racked up huge student debts and a job as a cricketer won't see him clear them til he is retired."

This isn't really a cricketing point, but I'd hate to see anyone discouraged from pursuing higher education. A double first is just a "first" in parts I and II of a 3-year degree and an MA normally takes one year, so there's no reason why Ansari should have student debts of more than £36,000. I'd have thought Surrey (and possibly England) would have paid him enough to wipe that off quite quickly.

At a Society of Authors event over the winter I met a former county cricketer who had also studied philosophy at Oxford. He was amused when I confessed to having once asked him for his autograph. He was perfectly charming when I talked about my love of cricket - and he had one or two wonderful tales to tell - but he did admit that, to him, playing the game professionally had seemed "a silly sort of way to make a living".
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

27 Apr 2017, 11:10 #4

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
The debt size may depend on when you went to university and whether you took out loans on top of the fees but I agree your point re not being put off from going.

Said through gritted teeth with one offspring graduating 2 years ago and another this summer but plans to stay for anothercyear
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Joined: 27 Apr 2007, 17:25

27 Apr 2017, 11:32 #5

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
It looks like we're in a similar position. I have a son who's likely to emerge from university with probably the same debt as Ansari but possibly a less lucrative profession ahead of him.
I see some reports say Ansari has been associated with Surrey cricket since the age of 8. I wonder if that isn't overdoing it a bit.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

02 May 2017, 08:36 #6

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
Some spinners who leave the game do come back the better for it of course, including one close to home who excelled yesterday.

Mind you, I'm not sure where Lawson Wainwright and others we have brought through are now.

What's happened to Craddock and will we struggle to remember who Mason Crane was in a few years time
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Joined: 02 May 2017, 09:23

02 May 2017, 09:30 #7

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
Craddock, Wainwright and Lawson are all playing league cricket, however Lawson now bowls seem and not spin!!
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Joined: 06 May 2015, 12:10

02 May 2017, 10:18 #8

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
>> A bright and multi talented lad but cricket was never going to see him fulfil his full potential. A double first and a masters must have racked up huge student debts and a job as a cricketer won't see him clear them til he is retired.

I think the converse is also true. I was speaking to the head of sport at Cambridge at the weekend, and asked him why the standard of university cricket was so poor these days. I used to live near Fenners in the 1990s and the university always had a strong batting lineup, with people like Ed Smith, Anurag Singh and Will House going on to represent their counties (and, in the case of Smith, England). He said that, increasingly, talented teenagers were being snapped up by counties and discouraged from going into higher education. Rather sad if so, but I guess part of a general trend towards early specialisation.
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Joined: 06 Nov 2013, 09:50

02 May 2017, 10:18 #9

I note that Zafir Ansari the Surrey and England Spinner has called it a day. Sounds like a very bright lad who has decided to go for a career change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39720334

Perhaps the arrival of Scott Borthwick may have had something to do with his decision.
Lawson and Wainwright are also involved in the new Yorkshire age group set-up as coaches, so their expertise is not lost entirely.
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