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Joined: 13 Jan 2015, 19:59

12 Mar 2017, 15:40 #41

Pyrahtechnics

Well, let's start with ..... currently, there are only two shows in town. a) the redevelopment of the Headingley Football Stand (in order to win/retain Test matches, World Cup games & ECB T20 Franchise) and b) the future format of ECB T20 Franchise from 2020 (and hence the future of CCR - County Cricket Remnant).

NEITHER of these two Game Changers is covered in the pre-AGM Paperwork. In the sense of there is no hard & fast information, options to consider nor proposals to vote on. Alright our good friend Verbal Update will be present at the meeting. As will his neighbour - how come the tea has gone up by 10p in the Long Room. Your "alternative proposals" etc.... our MEMBERS CLUB just doesn't work like that. It's all just Forum Filler. And, I regret that.

I had shot my mouth off on earlier threads about not taking on more debt to build a stand for two other teams. With bile filled suggestions as to how to organise the awarding of International Cricket, the profits & the funding of necessary ground developments. You (ie Pyrahtechnics) have chosen to have a shot at how to organise the future of County T20. And, good on yer.

My view is anchored in an 18 County Solution. Primarily, because, well, you know, we already have 18 Counties. So, I'm tending not to get sucked into the Money Guarantee world of 8 New Franchises. I'll happily say it - I'll take less money from an 18 County T20 solution & ground developments can go.... for me. So, I have some sympathy with the basics of your alternative proposal. I have some experience of Big Bash. I'm a member of some Australian State Cricket Associations. I'm a lapsed Member at Sydney Thunder T20. And, I've attended games and made prejudiced assessments with my own eyes. There are weather & climate & population issues. There are 6 states to 8 franchises is easier than 18 Counties to 8 franchises issues. But, my overwhelming view is - by luck or good judgement, Cricket Australia have been able to create a "Water Cooler Tournament". At work the next morning - as people are getting a cup of tea, a glass of water & firing up whatever they fire up at work, they are talking about the Big Bash. It's Captured Imagination. It's not high quality in the sense of Big Stars. Aussie Test players rarely feature & some overseas players we would see as ex England County Journeymen. (It is, however, quite high quality in terms of evenly matched teams, providing exciting games).

It's BECOME A THING. And, no amount of ECB Shenanigans will guarantee that (in my opinion). To rival the Big Bash, new ECB Franchise T20 has to become an event.

I'd like to make two points as to why I think Big Bash has become an event.

1. A sensible, most games matter, underkill vs overkill fixture list. ECB T20 Blast - don't you play 14 games per County to get down to the last 8. Absolute Madness. Fodder Cricket. Dead Rubber. Madness. A successful ECB T20, be it revamped 18 County T20 Blast or Shiny New 8 Franchise, will never capture imagination if there are 6 games a night for 3 months. Less IS More.

2. Free to air TV. You can't talk about it at work if you ain't seen it........

Phil
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Joined: 21 Jan 2004, 19:13

12 Mar 2017, 19:07 #42

Sorry Phil but the Aussies are adding extra teams to the Big Bash
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

12 Mar 2017, 20:41 #43

I know it's not only for the Big Bash, but the taxpayers of Western Australia face a $1.6 billion bill for their shiny new stadium in Perth. Not sure how much that is in real money but it ain't hay!.

I'm sure they had any number of super glossy reports from several fine upstanding consultancy firms, who they paid a great deal of money to no doubt, to explain what a great idea it all was and how it would all pay for itself in the long run.

The ECB have been tinkering with the county T20 format since 2003 and they, and their consultants, won't stop until they have bled it for all it's worth.

There might well be a few more bob to be earned in playing all the matches in a block, in August, hopefully in the fine weather, with some box office names.

Then again you might find a typical family of four, or five, who might have attended 2 or 3 walk-ups on a Friday night over the season, may only attend once, or not at all. They may well have a tight budget over the holiday period.

Even the ECB's figures showed that the T20 blast, Friday night, appointment to view was growing on people. There's loads of reasons why it isn't perfect, but sometimes you have to make the best of what you have.

The Counties, who we are told are the ECB, can stop the madness that is the city based T20, and any further tinkering with the blast.

I don't suppose they will.
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Joined: 21 Aug 2013, 19:47

12 Mar 2017, 21:18 #44

I won't be at the AGM and if I was I'm not articulate enough for the job, but someone has to challenge the top table about the club seemingly being happy to add its signature to the death warrant to county cricket.

I can almost guarantee more time will be spent on the price of tea in the long room and the state of the ladies loos at Scarborough.

Graves only thinks about money, Strauss only thinks about team England, if we want county cricket to survive we have to start fighting back.
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

13 Mar 2017, 16:33 #45

Agree Sid especially with your last sentence. We are a members club. Shouldn`t we be having a vote on whether we want to except the new proposals or not. Will we get that vote? No chance!! Not at this AGM as nothing on the agenda on those lines. Next year will be to late as the meeting and vote by the counties whether to accept the ECB proposals or not is next month.

Because of the huge debt and the possibility of the plug being pulled on it, it is a case of if CG says jump, we jump and if he says jump higher we jump higher. The "cash tills" are ringing loudly in the finance dept of YCCC. What is good for cricket or not is of minor importance to the finance guys.
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Joined: 02 Aug 2016, 08:58

13 Mar 2017, 19:25 #46

Twelve months ago the Members Committee claimed to speak on behalf of the members on the issue of an election to the Board.

Surely the format of a game that we love is of even greater significance - but our committee is silent….
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Joined: 02 Jul 2014, 19:18

13 Mar 2017, 19:54 #47

I've not been to an AGM before or read the rules, so perhaps someone could clarify. For all the different names, how much practical difference is there between the AGM and say a fans forum at a football club?
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Joined: 18 Apr 2014, 00:12

14 Mar 2017, 00:11 #48

Can the members or the members committee call for an Extraordinary General Meeting regarding the new T20 proposals, before the Counties meet up again and make any decisions?

From a members perspective - having a devalued 50 over competition reduces the value of membership.
From a YCCC perspective - having a devalued 50 over competition reduces matchday revenue generated.

Then there are Division 2 Counties who can't win the County Championship title or realistically win promotion to Division 1, who use the 50 Over Competition as a genuine chance of winning silverware and keeping their members/spectators interested. All they have left is 2nd rate white ball competitions to play for, hardly a selling point to grow future audiences.

The £1.3 Million compensation from a new Twenty20 competition has strings attached. It also does not compensate for the loss of two County Championship matches as well as a devalued One Day competition, therefore the true value is less than £1.3 Million.

I was originally in favour of the 8/10 County Championship structure as the ECB claim it would improve fast bowlers workloads and Andrew Strauss wanting an extra 2 One Day matches to compensate, but the fixture list is as congested as ever and no white ball matches have been added to make up for the loss. Quite simply, these new Twenty20 proposals just add to the demise of County Cricket and we will end up with a marginalised domestic system.

No Pyrah, no party
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Joined: 16 Nov 2013, 07:06

14 Mar 2017, 09:39 #49

Twelve months ago the Members Committee claimed to speak on behalf of the members on the issue of an election to the Board.

Surely the format of a game that we love is of even greater significance - but our committee is silent….
Twelve months ago the Members Committee claimed to speak on behalf of the members on the issue of an election to the Board.

Surely the format of a game that we love is of even greater significance - but our committee is silent….


The MC is entirely consistent. A year ago it followed the wishes of the Board…It is doing the same now.

You’re living in a different world OS if you think the MC sees its role as putting forward the view of the members!
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Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 11:26

14 Mar 2017, 09:50 #50

sooty-yorkie1 --- The AGM differs to a fans forum in that it is more structured and formal. There is an agenda that is followed quite strictly and a few questions are allowed, but nothing like a fans forum when many questions are asked and answered.
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