5th Test | India v England at Chennai (Match Thread)

Joined: 06 May 2015, 12:10

16 Dec 2016, 15:00 #11

Bizarre to accuse Joe Root of all people of a lack of application. This is a man who has shown a well-documented and obsessive determination to improve from an early age. He's one of the few players to play all three formats, and is top of the England batting and bowling averages for this series, and our leading run-scorer. I would be surprised if he neglected his physical fitness if it were such an obvious 'quick win', given everything else we know about his character and accomplishments.

Graeme Swann retired exactly 1 year after Joe made his test debut, so I think there's a limit to the 'inside knowledge' he can boast in this instance.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

16 Dec 2016, 15:32 #12

Root has scored half tons in 11 games in a row v India. We seem to be nit picking at his faults and weaknesses which clouds over the real reasons why the team has struggled. Trust me, it's nowt to do with Root not converting 50 into 100 but more to do with some others in the team not performing. You would never know if they were unfit as they are not in long enough for anyone to find out.

The problem isn't Root not converting his scores. It's the fact the bowlers and catchers have allowed Kohli to do so. If you let a team get 600 you are never going to win. And in this series I suspect Joe has been unlucky with some drs dismissals
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

16 Dec 2016, 16:16 #13

4 modern day players widely regarded and talked about in the same bracket are Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson.

their 100/50 conversion rates:

VK 15/14
JR 11/26
SS 16/18
KW 14/24

People might call it nit picking and you know what, Joe Root will be the one above all others who wants to change this but those statistics can't be ignored.
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Joined: 04 Jun 2015, 18:32

16 Dec 2016, 17:41 #14

Why not show us the same stats for the others in the England top order although in some cases getting to 50 alone might be the problem!
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

16 Dec 2016, 17:53 #15

4 modern day players widely regarded and talked about in the same bracket are Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson.

their 100/50 conversion rates:

VK 15/14
JR 11/26
SS 16/18
KW 14/24

People might call it nit picking and you know what, Joe Root will be the one above all others who wants to change this but those statistics can't be ignored.
That certainly is one way of looking at it to advance your theory, but what about those 26 fifties! Surely those first 50 runs are just as valuable as the 2nd 50.

You could say for instance:

Innings 50's Percentage of innings scoring 50 or more
VK 89 14 15%
JR 96 26 27%
SS 87 18 20%
KW 103 24 23%

Probably best to stick to the offical averages.
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Joined: 27 Mar 2014, 13:24

16 Dec 2016, 18:21 #16

So if you're better than your teammate's theres no need to look at ways of improving your game?

My darling Maxi
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

16 Dec 2016, 18:39 #17

That certainly seems to be the argument some are making here Dwight.
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

16 Dec 2016, 19:14 #18

Some are just pretty sure that Joe Root is doing the best he can with the skill he possesses and feel he should be supported.

He wants to bat positively and move the game on which sometimes gets him out before reaching the personal milestone of a century. Pretty sure he doesn't do it on purpose.

Some, and if the cap fits you can wear it, just want an arguement!

Perhaps we should bring Trott back at number 3 to provide the conversion rate you seek.
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Joined: 20 Oct 2013, 20:03

16 Dec 2016, 19:18 #19

I don't have much doubt which side of this debate Joe himself would be on. Of course it's a flaw at the moment, a minor flaw in a great player, but a flaw nevertheless.
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Joined: 30 Nov 2016, 12:24

16 Dec 2016, 19:56 #20

Whatever the stats, Joe Root is a mighty prodigious talent and though still a youngster by comparison to many of his peers, he's a work in progress at this level who will get even better with time and match experience!

Awesome cricketer, Yorkshire & England be proud!
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