5 day Tests under threat?

5 day Tests under threat?

Joined: 08 Dec 2013, 13:18

05 Oct 2017, 18:23 #1

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
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Joined: 18 Oct 2013, 09:48

06 Oct 2017, 15:31 #2

5 day test matches back in the 80's would have been played over a minimum of 500 overs.

Nowadays, its usually less than 450.

Therefore logic should tell you that more matches should go the full 5 days, but in fact its less.

Why is that?

Batsmen, the world over do not have the same skill set of yesteryear.

Think on balance, 4 day matches starting at 11 and going on till 110 overs have been bowled in the day, with the option of overtime for rain interruptions would be a good idea. With floodlights used when necessary this should not be a problem.

It would sure concentrate the fielding team to get on with their overs if they wanted to enjoy any evening functions.
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Joined: 02 Apr 2014, 09:31

06 Oct 2017, 16:04 #3

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
"Batsmen, the world over do not have the same skill set of yesteryear"

Rubbish. Batsmen the world over have a wider ranging skill set in the modern game.
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06 Oct 2017, 16:50 #4

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
Not so sure EYT.
I'd be interested to see the likes of Hales and Roy on an uncovered wicket, 60's style.
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06 Oct 2017, 18:32 #5

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
In my opinion there's a lot of merit in four day tests.
Cricket tends to expand to fill the hours and overs that are available. Batsmen play more cautiously and there are many instances where team A, having gained a big advantage on the first innings, pile up an unnecessarily large mountain of runs the second time around, just because they can.
Better drainage on English grounds has reduced delays caused by weather and floodlights mean there are fewer interruptions or curtailments owing to bad light.
I don't believe there would be much enthusiasm among spectators for days of 110 overs taking seven and a half hours or more of playing time to complete. Most would be content with 90 overs completed in the scheduled six hours.
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Joined: 18 Oct 2013, 09:48

06 Oct 2017, 21:07 #6

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
"Rubbish. Batsmen the world over have a wider ranging skill set in the modern game."

so how often do batsmen today bat all day?

I recall Boycott batting in all 5 days of a test match, in the days when test batsmen averaged well over 50 and some even got up to 100 average.

Today, you just bowl good line and length and wait for the batsman to get frustrated and play an indiscrete shot. In years gone by, batsmen would not do that so much and wait until the bowler gets tired and then get his runs.
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06 Oct 2017, 21:26 #7

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
You can't defend with your pads all day in the modern era!
My darling Maxi
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07 Oct 2017, 01:09 #8

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
Not sure whether England can guarantee the climate to play four day test cricket even with extra overs bowled in a day. If play is not dealayed to rain, it will be to bad light post 5pm and floodlights are only effective for so long.

A 4 day test only makes winning more difficult for the team batting 2nd if they concede above 400 runs.
No Pyrah, no party
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07 Oct 2017, 08:59 #9

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
Mark Arthur backing it, in todays YP.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... -1-8792795

Good idea in practice for all the reasons Mark states (much better scheduling, 5th day costs eliminated, etc) but with the appalling over rates in test matches it is just not workable.

Test teams struggle to get 90 overs in a days play now, how will they manage 105 overs a day, even with the extra time. Floodlights can only be used for a short time before they become ineffective.
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07 Oct 2017, 09:23 #10

Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...
I've got nothing against 5 days worth of play happening over 4 days. In practice that might mean a complete change in the make up of the day to get the overs in. Based on 110 overs in a day 10-12 morning session, 12:30-2:30 Early afternoon, 2:45-4:45 late afternoon and 5-7 evening with penalties for any overs not bowled. An over rate of 14 per hour which should be easily attainable gets the overs bowled with time to spare. Is there any reason games can't start at 10 rather than 11?
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