2nd Test | England vs the West Indies at Headingley (Match Thread)

Joined: 10 Feb 2014, 19:23

25 Aug 2017, 12:55 #11

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
8 from 39 but ....................timber!
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Joined: 18 Oct 2013, 09:48

25 Aug 2017, 15:08 #12

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
Not saying they try to whack every ball, but in training these days batsmen concentrate and scoring runs and cannot defend

Bowlers don't need to bowl wicket taking deliveries just need to contain the batsmen who will then get themselves out....not just my opinion but exactle what sir Geoffrey was say in tms earlier.

How often nowadays do we see batsmen batting all day on a bowler friendly wicket?

The sort of innings gb' athers and gatting used to do not to mention tavarre amiss and many other opening batsmen.

Its a lost art killed by t20
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Joined: 20 Oct 2013, 20:03

25 Aug 2017, 15:23 #13

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
It is indeed largely a lost art, Peter, but it doesn't follow that t20 is the cause. I think it has contributed, but the old stagers - players and spectators - were grumbling about this before the t20s arrived. They tended to attribute it to covered wickets, which removed the batsman's familiarity with movement and uneven bounce. Playing with soft hands, leaving deliveries you didn't need to play, covering your bat with support from pad or body, all were part of a day's work for quite ordinary players in the old days.
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

25 Aug 2017, 18:19 #14

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
Some may have been annoyed by the noise from the party stand but cricket wise I think people have had their money's worth today.

I have to hold my hand up and say that although I can take a nice sunny day with some slow cricket now and again, I've come to enjoy watching the game move on a bit quicker.
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 09:52

25 Aug 2017, 22:26 #15

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
Some of the catches WI have dropped... well, they're unbelievable. They would not go down in schools cricket.
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Joined: 07 Sep 2015, 21:28

26 Aug 2017, 17:02 #16

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
Think I can plan my route now to circumvent the two festivals.

Hopefully England bat well and we might even go to a day 5.
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 20:44

26 Aug 2017, 18:25 #17

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
This England team drives me to despair. I forked out good money to see a pathetic performance at Trent Bridge. I don't mind losing; it's unprofessional attitudes from highly paid performers that drive me nuts.

But we redeemed ourselves and put a weak S African side out of its misery, then squashed Windies at Edgbaston, so all seemed well.

Then came Headingley. The batting was a re-run of Trent Bridge, and would have been worse against a team who could catch. Then the bowling!

At Edgbaston they picked Wood, who clearly wasn't fit. Now they drop the successful and reliable Toblerone and pick Woakes, who hasn't played for nearly three months, and he bowls 80 mph long-hops all day.

After six Test matches they are no nearer a settled top 5 than they were at the start of the summer. Who are they going to take to Australia? Hameed gets better every time he doesn't play (except to those who actually watch him play); Ballance's chances must be increasing by the minute; or perhaps they go for Hales or Roy or Lyth on the strength of T20 runs.

Rubbish administrators: Graves, Harrison, Strauss.

Rubbish coach: Trevor (I don't know any English players) Bayliss.

Rubbish team, as Australia will prove.

(I feel better now.)
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 09:52

26 Aug 2017, 18:33 #18

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
Bell-Drummond and Joe Clarke for me, please, although there's not much time left now before the Gabba. GB returns at five. We've tried some options, they've failed, so let's go for younger players who have potential, at least.
Re this match, it's probably lost, and most likely heavily. We hardly ever perform at Headingley, do we?
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Joined: 12 Sep 2014, 18:27

26 Aug 2017, 18:34 #19

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
There's something about Headingley that brings out England at their worst. At least for the good folk of Nottingham it was a rare poor showing.
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Joined: 17 Oct 2013, 20:44

26 Aug 2017, 18:47 #20

Aug 25-29, 2017 - 2nd Test at Headingley, Leeds

England (from): Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, Tom Westley, Joe Root, Dawid Malan, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson, Chris Woakes

West Indies (from): Kraigg Brathwaite, Kieran Powell, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Roston Chase, Jermaine Blackwood, Shane Dowrich, Jason Holder, Devendra Bishoo, Kemar Roach, Shannon Gabriel
By the way, I feel I've been unduly disrespectful to Windies in my rant, above.

Their two decent seamers bowled good line and length, as you would expect Roach, especially, to do. And the two young batsmen did brilliantly, to play like old pros brought up in English conditions. One can imagine Stuart Law having much knowledge to impart, given his record. And Bayliss played for who, exactly?

But, as the old saying goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The main effort has to come from the player, rather than from the coach. Ramprakash was decidedly useful himself, but are they listening?
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