1) yeah...but you claimed otherwise. Are you backing away from that now?sergeante wrote:1. Straw man. Nobody can prove anything about the P13 adoption process, because the war intervened. But the rifle was already in troop trials in 1913. It was on the same trajectory that the Lee-Enfield was when it replaced the Lee-Metford -- a pre-determined technological choice that just had to be refined.Andy01 wrote:
1. You're the one claiming that P13 approval was imminent so you'll have to prove it.
2. You'll also have to prove that Cabinet approval (which is the final step prior to Parliament voting on funding) wasn't needed.
3. The Cdns did approve the Ross rifle... in .303 (rather than the preferred Ross .280) to maintain Empire commonality of ammo as did the .303 V-B LMG, which was also produced in India. UK introduction of a .28 calibre rifle would have entailed lots of discussion between the UK and Dominions to ensure Empire commonality of ammo and having a separate rifle only ammunition would have greatly complicated LMG and MG production.
4. The adoption of the Lewis gun was a wartime emergency measure and steps to replace it began ASAP.
5. The first post WW1 competitive LMG trials to replace the Lewis were in 1922 while the first competitive trials to include the Bren were in 1930 with approval in 1935 and production not commencing until 1937. Canada participated in the Imperial Conference of June 1937 where Empire allocation of weapons production was discussed, with approval in principle of Dominion production of Bren Guns.
2. Your claim, your responsibility to document.
3. Horsefeathers. The British Army was already troop testing the rifle. The decision to change calibers was being embraced. As for machine guns, there weren't that many before WW1. New purchases could have been specified in thew caliber.
4. BSA, before the war, sure thought they were going to get orders. I wonder why?
5. Canada agreed to produce Bren guns. They didn't tell the Imoerial General Staff what to adopt. Also, it took five years to adopt the Bren once it was on offer. Preceding trials are irrelevant.
2) sorry but that one's on you as well.
3) Tell us again why the US Army adopted a .276 rifle between the wars... (this should be fun).
4) BSA and other UK manufacturers produced lots of private venture weapons, most of which were NOT adopted by the UK.
5) Canada didn't have an LMG in production and it's responce might have been different if it did.