Weird ship quirks, part 2 -- British cruiser accomodations

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Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 22:19

01 Jan 2018, 15:27 #41

The War On Terror has got a lot less warry lately, at least for UK forces.  Recruiting and retention have suffered as a result though retention became a knotty one when we were busy, lots of people did their tour(s) and moved on, personal box ticked.
"Be harmonious, enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men"

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster himself."

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Joined: 10 Apr 2005, 14:54

01 Jan 2018, 20:22 #42

emc wrote: As to the second, there is currently a purpose -- the War on Terror -- but I think the real reason that they could always find the guys to fill the combat jobs was, for much of the Cold War, conscription. 
My understanding is that sergeante enlisted many years after the draft was ended in the US and not reinstated during his time.  I imagine para.2 is based on personal observation.
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Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 18:20

01 Jan 2018, 22:39 #43

sergeante wrote:
Salamander wrote:

I think you mean that there are enough complications with just "heterosexual males" at sea, and that we have become "sufficiently and correctly tolerant as societies."
I think you don't know what I mean. When I was on active duty, back in 80s and early 90s, homosexual sailors were considered a joke, not a threat. On one cruise we had a mess attendant that everyone called "Sexual Chocolate". (Let your imagination run wild with that one -- you'd probably come up with something approaching reality.) Nobody was angry with him or wanted him off of the ship. If anything, most guys kind of felt sorry for him, for his unfortunate personality extremes.

"Sufficient" and "correct" tolerance? Who says? When it comes to social and cultural issues, suffcient and correct are in the eye of the beholder. Our societies aren't under existential stress at the moment, or anywhere close to it, so many are happy to monkey around with what works, in the name of whatever social justice goal they think they're achieving. We ever had to face a real threat again, we'd abandon these nonsenses much more quickly than we fell for them. They're luxuries, not truths.
We had a Sergeant Major called "Jimmy the Fruit" ... different service same standard of humour.
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02 Jan 2018, 12:57 #44

We do see the heavy and indiscriminate hand of The Law at work.  Truth is back when homosexuality was illegal most people didn't care so long as they weren't bothered.
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Joined: 12 May 2004, 09:51

04 Jan 2018, 19:00 #45

ChrisPat wrote: We do see the heavy and indiscriminate hand of The Law at work.  Truth is back when homosexuality was illegal most people didn't care so long as they weren't bothered.
Two groups of people who did care were local police, who got to easily fill arrest quotas, and Soviet spy agencies, who could blackmail closeted gays in sensitive positions. 
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04 Jan 2018, 19:37 #46

True enough.  Exploitation of hypocrisy in both cases IMO.
"Be harmonious, enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men"

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