Russian Navy Chief: Project 22350M Frigates to become main blue and green-water warships

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Joined: 14 Jul 2012, 04:49

04 Jan 2018, 15:40 #11

2lapsdown wrote: How does any one think a helo is a viable targeting system in 2018? That is a fantasy. Drone that you are willing to use yes....
Helo or drone does not matter, plus the Russian missiles have radar and swarm capability, Helo can go up over the horizon and forward, so yes it is definitely a option. It is not for terminal guidance, just target localization. (recon)
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Joined: 14 Jul 2012, 04:49

04 Jan 2018, 16:51 #12

Not for terminal targeting, just recon an OTH radar searches. The missiles have their own targeting. The Helo would fly high and as soon as anything is on its radar it hits the deck and ship will receive its radar data. *maybe* it makes it back in one piece if it can get low enough.
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jua
Joined: 17 Mar 2005, 03:54

04 Jan 2018, 19:30 #13

It makes sense to adopt an off the shelf system as the organic recon element. Ideally some kind of HALE/MALE would be in support, or other longer ranged asset. AFAIK US ships still employ old school helos. The different being that the USN can expect support from a CSG if present, or perhaps at least some P-8/MQ-4 in the theater. The US problem for now is actually having a weapon long enough to reach all the things that can be seen. SM-6 and LRASM are just starting to be deployed; a dedicated VLS launched AShM needs to be next.
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Joined: 14 Jul 2012, 04:49

05 Jan 2018, 14:40 #14

I would imagine that when a US battle group deploys into an area where any threat level exists they have support from Global Hawk or some kind of strategic surveillance drone. In addition to the capabilities of the carrier. I would be very surprised if they don't have a very good view of at least a 1000 km radius around the group, probably more like 2000 km.  
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Joined: 16 Mar 2017, 20:22

05 Jan 2018, 19:33 #15

And, of course, let's not forget about satellites.

At the other end of the spectrum, I would expect to see smaller, semi-disposable ship launched drones to become standard equipment on frigate (or maybe even corvette) and larger sized surface ships.
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jua
Joined: 17 Mar 2005, 03:54

05 Jan 2018, 20:07 #16

The USN seems to be relying on MQ-4 and P-8 as the primary ISR asset, at least where a CSG isn't available. Which doesn't seem that unreasonable given the availability of overseas bases. I think some of the Burkes also carry Scan Eagle and a rather improvised wire set up for recovering same. If I were the Russians I'd invest in some kind of cheap disposable  UAV that could be launched from one of the VLS systems (ideally quad packed); maybe even some kind of wire or net recovery system on the helo deck.
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Joined: 29 Nov 2004, 07:40

Yesterday, 15:30 #17

"We need to get closer to that Dane mentality" - Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, NAVSEA Chief Engineer, March 2015 ASNE Day.
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PK
Joined: 09 May 2006, 22:00

Yesterday, 18:34 #18

IMO that will become the Russian version of the DDG1000-saga:
If they should really go on with it, maybe 3 will be built, each at the cost of a dozen Corvettes or 6 Frigates.
Edit: and they would be X years late, even if sufficient funding was available (my guess for X = 8).

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