More delays for the Indian Rafale deal.

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MattReloaded
Joined: 29 Nov 2004, 07:40

26 Aug 2017, 14:31 #61

From ToI :

IAF pitches for 36 more Rafale fighters after it gets the first 36 from France
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Aug 25, 2017, 23:51 IST

HIGHLIGHTS
  • The “follow-on” deal will cost just over 60% of the original acquisition and induction price.
  • The Modi government had last year inked the deal for the 36 Rafales.
  • IAF says the Rafales will be “a huge deterrent” with their deadly Meteor air-to-air missiles.
NEW DELHI: The IAF is now strongly pitching for acquiring another 36 Rafale fighters after it gets the first 36 jets under the mega Rs 59,000 crore contract (7.87 billion euro) inked with France last September, stressing that the "follow-on" deal will cost just over 60% of the original acquisition and induction price.

Defence ministry sources say the IAF has made "some presentations" on the operational need to procure 36 additional Rafales as part of its long-term plans, with the force contending the French fighters will prove to be much cheaper than the proposed fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to be developed with Russia.

"But no final decision as yet has been taken on either the 36 more Rafales or the FGFA project," said a MoD source. Citing IAF's "critical operational necessity", the Modi government had last year inked the deal for the 36 Rafales, with their weapon packages, associated supplies and logistics, after scrapping the long-pending and deadlocked $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project for 126 fighters.

As earlier reported by TOI, the first Rafale squadron (18 jets) will be based at Hasimara (West Bengal) to cater for the eastern front with China, while the second will come up at Ambala (Haryana) for the western one with Pakistan. The 36 omni-role jets, which can also deliver nuclear weapons, are slated for delivery from November 2019 to mid-2022.

IAF has told MoD that the infrastructure coming up at Hasimara and Ambala airbases can accommodate two Rafale squadrons each. "This will cut down the induction costs of the 36 additional fighters," said the source.

Grappling with just 33-34 fighter squadrons when at least 42-44 are needed to tackle the "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan, IAF says the Rafales will be "a huge deterrent" with their deadly Meteor air-to-air missiles (150-km range), Scalp air-to-ground cruise missiles (300-km) and other weapons.

Underlining "the primacy of airpower" in modern-day warfare, IAF has told MoD the Meteor beyond visual range missile is far superior to any air-to-air missile with Chinese or Pakistani fighters.
"We need to get closer to that Dane mentality" - Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, NAVSEA Chief Engineer, March 2015 ASNE Day.
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Baron
Joined: 20 Mar 2017, 12:34

26 Aug 2017, 14:50 #62

This sounds like a very good deal for India.  I hope they will quickly green light the 2nd tranche of aircraft.  In addition they may be able to get an even better price if they were to ask France for best price on an additional 72 aircraft.  This would go far toward closing the fighter gap mentioned in the article.
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MattReloaded
Joined: 29 Nov 2004, 07:40

26 Aug 2017, 16:13 #63

Baron wrote: This sounds like a very good deal for India.  I hope they will quickly green light the 2nd tranche of aircraft.  In addition they may be able to get an even better price if they were to ask France for best price on an additional 72 aircraft.  This would go far toward closing the fighter gap mentioned in the article.
Nothing goes fast in India...
"We need to get closer to that Dane mentality" - Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, NAVSEA Chief Engineer, March 2015 ASNE Day.
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pppet
Joined: 06 Feb 2008, 12:42

30 Aug 2017, 08:09 #64

Our way of government would make the Byzantine look like a troop of Boy Scouts.
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MattReloaded
Joined: 29 Nov 2004, 07:40

27 Nov 2017, 19:56 #65

From Defense Aerospace :

Egypt, Qatar Seen Adding New Orders for Rafale Fighters
(Source: compiled by Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Nov 23, 2017)

PARIS --- Egypt and Qatar could convert their options on additional Rafale fighters by the end of the year, and add 24 additional aircraft to Dassault Aviation’s order book, according to the LaTribune financial website. 

Both countries have options for 12 Rafales in addition to the 24 aircraft they both have ordered. 

Egypt has been lobbying for several months to obtain the same favorable financial package it obtained for the original order, but French Treasury opposition to extending further unsecured credit to Egypt was blocking the transaction. 

Dassault CEO Eric Trappier recently visited Doha with a formal offer covering the additional batch of 12 Rafale. Qatar’s option was due to expire, and Qatar asked for the option to be extended, La Tribune reported today, so a quick signature looks plausible. La Tribune reported it could be signed as early as December 7, when French President Emmanuel Macron is due to make an official visit to Doha. 

The original contract with Qatar, and worth €6.3 billion including a very large weapon package, was signed in May 2015 and covered six Rafale two-seaters and 18 single-seaters. 

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi asked Macron in September to overrule the French Treasury’s veto on the sale of 12 additional Rafale, and La Tribune reported Nov 16 that French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian visited Cairo to tell al-Sissi his request had been approved, and that an Egyptian delegation is currently in France for the deal’s final negotiations. La Tribune, quoting several unidentified sources, said the contract could be concluded “in the coming weeks.” 

Egypt in the past two years has ordered €6.8 billions’ worth of French military equipment, including the first 24 Rafales, a military communications satellite, four Gowind corvettes, one FREMM frigate and two Mistral-class amphibious warfare ships.
"We need to get closer to that Dane mentality" - Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, NAVSEA Chief Engineer, March 2015 ASNE Day.
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MattReloaded
Joined: 29 Nov 2004, 07:40

07 Dec 2017, 15:19 #66

From Flight Global :

Qatar adds a dozen more Rafales to order
07 DECEMBER, 2017
SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM
BY: CRAIG HOYLE, LONDON

Qatar will operate a future fleet of 36 Dassault Rafale fighters, having signed an option to boost a previous commitment for 24 of the type.

Announced by the manufacturer on 7 December, the development builds on a contract signed in May 2015 covering the provision of 18 single-seat Rafale EQs and six two-seat DQ-model trainers. Dassault has not disclosed whether the fresh order for 12 units will contain any additional trainers.

The Qatar Emiri Air Force is scheduled to take delivery of its first Rafale in 2018.

An artist's rendering of the combat aircraft shows it in a two-tone grey camouflage livery and armed with MBDA's radar-guided Mica medium-range air-to-air missiles and short-range Diehl Defence IRIS-Ts.

and as a bonus : Qatar will purchase 490 French Nexter VBCI 8x8 IFV armoured vehicles
"We need to get closer to that Dane mentality" - Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, NAVSEA Chief Engineer, March 2015 ASNE Day.
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