missile laden Russian attack subs

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missile laden Russian attack subs

Joined: July 14th, 2012, 4:49 am

January 7th, 2018, 4:10 am #1

Russia seems to be going all in with arming their attack subs with quite a massive number of missiles 72 vls cells for Oniks and Kaliber missiles WOW!! vs only 12 VLS on Virginia class. I think V class can launch more from torpedo tubes. Are there any pros and cons to launching via Tubes other then rate of fire?  The improved Yasen looks pretty damn formidable. 
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Joined: April 28th, 2015, 1:38 am

January 15th, 2018, 10:46 pm #2

Russia can't afford to fill the cells...72 missiles is not accurate, and they have one sub in commission.
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Joined: July 14th, 2012, 4:49 am

January 16th, 2018, 5:20 am #3

you are right it is 32 or 40 missiles depending on the load. But if they can build a submarine like this, I doubt they have any problems paying for the missiles. 2nd improved boat Kazan has already been launched and 5 others are building. They are also re configuring some older Oscar class to carry similar missile loads.  
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Joined: January 8th, 2004, 12:04 am

January 16th, 2018, 5:35 am #4

The next block of Virginia SSN will have 2 large diameter VLS forward (6 missiles each) and a payload module (an extra compartment added midships) with 4 more Large Diameter VLS tubes.
That's at least 36 missiles not counting what they decide to put in the torpedo room. The drawback is these missiles are all Land Attack (Tomahawk) and not anti-ship.
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Joined: May 8th, 2007, 9:56 pm

January 17th, 2018, 12:23 pm #5

The four large tubes in the Virginia Payload Module will carry seven Tomahawks each.  Including the dozen tubes forward, that's a total of forty vertically launched missiles.

It's interesting that all of the current Tomahawk missiles are for land attack.  Tomahawk was originally developed as a torpedo tube-launched anti-ship missile.
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Joined: January 8th, 2004, 12:04 am

January 17th, 2018, 9:52 pm #6

Tomahawk was more than anti-ship. The warheads/guidance were interchangeable so you could put the ASM warhead and radar seeker, their was a terrain mapper (pre gps) along with a big warhead, cluster bombs, or a nuke. After Gulf War 1 when just about every strike T-Hawk had been used they took all the ASMs (and nukes) and converted them to strike.
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Joined: May 8th, 2007, 9:56 pm

January 19th, 2018, 3:08 pm #7

Yes, there were many Tomahawk variants including anti-ship and land attack.  However, the point I was trying to make was that Tomahawk was INITIALLY [where's he underline feature in this new format?] developed as a torpedo-tube-launched, anti-ship missile to counter increasingly capable Soviet ASW capabilities.  The other variants and VLS came along later.
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Joined: March 17th, 2005, 3:54 am

January 19th, 2018, 4:22 pm #8

kell553 wrote: The next block of Virginia SSN will have 2 large diameter VLS forward (6 missiles each) and a payload module (an extra compartment added midships) with 4 more Large Diameter VLS tubes.
That's at least 36 missiles not counting what they decide to put in the torpedo room. The drawback is these missiles are all Land Attack (Tomahawk) and not anti-ship.
For the moment. When the BGM-109s go in for refurb, at least some of them will get a multi mode terminal sensor for moving targets. There also is the possibility that some other weapon will be made available in the future, though likely AShM is a sufficiently low priority that nothing dedicated to that role will enter sub service.
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