Letterstime - Das Tor Schließen (Shutting the Gate) - A Letterstime ITGWO Sidestory Chapter 4 – The Open Sea

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May 12th, 2018, 5:12 pm #11

The key words uttered by the Baron, the ones which galvanized that elite audience and swept them along with him during the afternoon session of the Kaiser's briefing, were few and simple. They were: "Sire, we have broken the British blockade, and they are ignorant of that fact!"
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May 12th, 2018, 6:01 pm #12

Indeed Letters was right, but apparently the British were not the only ones who were ignorant of the fact the blockade was broken.

Indeed the fate of British AMCs during the EG caper had to have gotten around.   One suspects that as long as the German have serviceable battlecruisers, AMC skippers are not gonna be real aggressive about investigating every smoke plume they see - at least for a while.

Could be time for a side story of a post EG blockade runner.
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May 12th, 2018, 6:05 pm #13

Re: post #10
"The risk to Abt Ziethen is not as great as it seems as Their Lordships will give  absolute priority to convoys to Britain from America  and make the Russians a second priority"


Big Dave concurs.    The massacre of the convoy from North America (outlined in The Wolves but not yet into this story timeline) redoubles the resources put into escorting supplies.

See Episodes 48-55 of The Wolves.
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May 12th, 2018, 6:56 pm #14

When we last left the Main LIne, Seavey was organizing a large convoy to be escorted by real warships, due to the missing Moltke and two CLs.

The Moltke would later be spotted by spies in port and also reported in a few weeks by Blue, but the CLs remained among the missing, as did the captured AMC.
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May 13th, 2018, 8:56 pm #15

Big Dave, 

The British response (perhaps putting the Russian counter-stroke behind the Atlantic) also depends, very much, on what they know and when they know it. Fog of war and all that.

Ray
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May 15th, 2018, 3:30 pm #16

Ray,

the key British players know very well the crises in Britain which have been coming together and now brought to a head by Letters' actions and now having no battlecruisers.    The key is the vital industrial materials coming across the Atlantic, which must now be by convoy.

Lloyd-George and his MinofMun are the key players and will be backed by the Admiralty and Kitchener, who is something of a strategist.

In OTL Lloyd-George said in July 1915 "I don't think we will win this war" and they were about to form the first war coalition.

The are two back episodes somewhere in the previous pages of the naval fiction board,   -  Policy and Politics  The Home Front  1 and 2 which explain the British problems.
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May 15th, 2018, 4:07 pm #17

Are those on the LT site?

I remember well how I convened a committee to decide the politics and political fate of HMG:

http://www.letterstime.com/SideStories/woes1.html
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May 15th, 2018, 4:28 pm #18

Re: Post 14:
"When we last left the Main LIne, Seavey was organizing a large convoy to be escorted by real warships, due to the missing Moltke and two CLs."

Big Dave says:
Indeed so.   This is precisely the convoy that Forstmann blunders into (and massacres) in The Wolves Episodes 48-55.

OTL, convoying had not begun in the summer of 1915, so I had to attack a LT convoy.   I even took advantage of the fact that Seavey was loose escorting to the north of the merchant ships.   Now the British have to at least rethink convoying.   Depth charges are not historically due til Dec 1915, and even then in ineffective amounts (two per destroyer on all of sixteen RN destroyers).   Effective ASW as we know it won't happen til autumn 1917.   Do you bunch up targets?   Convoying is a time-honored practice but without effective ASW all they do is give the U-boats a less crowded ocean.

Given the wide range in contemporaneous ship speeds you'd have some awfully slow convoys.
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May 15th, 2018, 11:57 pm #19

Richard,

Completely agree! 

Ray
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May 17th, 2018, 12:15 am #20

Should have Chapter 5 up tomorrow!
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