Joined: 12:24 AM - Nov 21, 2010

3:03 PM - Feb 09, 2018 #11

They claim they're AAW frigates; in reality they're Dalek transports   ;)
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4:08 PM - Feb 09, 2018 #12

FREMM-IT are 4 ASW fregates and 6 GP fregates.
No one AAW...
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7:41 PM - Feb 10, 2018 #13

I wonder if a 5" ASW projectile couldn't be developed.
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10:53 PM - Feb 10, 2018 #14

eagle spotters wrote: FREMM-IT are 4 ASW fregates and 6 GP fregates.
No one AAW...
But don't they have greater AAW capabilities than the FREMM-FR? And the Italians have said that the last two will have more capability than the rest.
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11:38 PM - Feb 10, 2018 #15

FREMM-IT carry Aster 30 (roughly equivalent to SM-2) together with Kronos 3D AESA, while FREMM-FR only have Aster 15 (~ESSM).  The Italians may call them "GP," but they have a very respectable AAW capability.
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7:44 AM - Feb 11, 2018 #16

All Italian FREMM carry Aster 30 & Aster 15, with Kronos Grand Naval 3D AESA radar.

The AAW SAAM-ESD system (Surface Anti Air Missile - Extended Self Defense), is equipped with Sylver A50 vertical launchers capable of accommodating up to 16 missiles between Aster 15 & 30, allows the extended area defense and can be protected in automatic, another 10 Units placed within 6.5 km of the FREMM.

Maximum range Aster 30 = 120 km
Maximum range Aster 15 = 30 km

But this capability not transform FREMM fregates in destroyers.

Last rumors says that two end FREMMs (F598 Spartaco Schergat & F599 Emilio Bianchi) will be powerfull in ASW Sector, not more in AAW capability.
Maybe will be fitted with Leonardo ATAS (new VDS sonar) & SLAT (ASW decoys).

Other rumors say that Italy and France are going to start a defining study for a new AAW class of destroyers, which should start in 2019 and last 3 years, with a view to the realization of a class of new units (2 + 2?) Towards the mid/end '20s. This agreement falls within the scope of the transaction with which Fincantieri purchased the French STX shipyards and which already provides that the Marine Nationale purchases 3 (or 4) Fincantieri LSS suppliers (Vulcano).
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Joined: 10:35 PM - Dec 14, 2008

3:03 PM - Feb 11, 2018 #17

eagle spotters wrote: Other rumors say that Italy and France are going to start a defining study for a new AAW class of destroyers, which should start in 2019 and last 3 years, with a view to the realization of a class of new units (2 + 2?) Towards the mid/end '20s.
Doubt it will happen that soon. The timing has to dovetail with the replacement of the Horizon DDGs, which isn’t needed before the late 2030s. Also the French have no budget until after 2030 (FTI, SSNs, SSBN sucking up all available funds until then)... and even then that’s questionable as they will likely prioritize funding their carrier replacement.

Best case scenario is mid 2030s delivery for the first of class, with construction starting ~2030. Maybe the French would buy 4 this time (the first pair could replace the last 2 La Fayettes, then the 2nd pair the Horizons)
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11:11 PM - Feb 11, 2018 #18

eagle spotters wrote:Last rumors says that two end FREMMs (F598 Spartaco Schergat & F599 Emilio Bianchi) will be powerfull in ASW Sector, not more in AAW capability.
Maybe will be fitted with Leonardo ATAS (new VDS sonar) & SLAT (ASW decoys).

Other rumors say that Italy and France are going to start a defining study for a new AAW class of destroyers, which should start in 2019 and last 3 years, with a view to the realization of a class of new units (2 + 2?) Towards the mid/end '20s. This agreement falls within the scope of the transaction with which Fincantieri purchased the French STX shipyards and which already provides that the Marine Nationale purchases 3 (or 4) Fincantieri LSS suppliers (Vulcano).
Previously, the plan was to have the last two be made as more AAW capable -- reportedly to replace the Durand de la Penne class.  Same with the previous plan of FREMM-FR where the last two will be transformed into FREDA.
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1:34 AM - Feb 12, 2018 #19

A ship with a 3D radar and an area-defense missile is an AAW asset, whatever the owners want to call it.  FREMM-IT is a more potent antiaircraft ship than a Virginia-class CGN ever was!
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