Joined: February 22nd, 2007, 6:26 pm

August 8th, 2018, 2:38 pm #4411

SpazSinbad wrote: IF I'm to worry (it is none of my business - just empathy) it will be about the RAF CRABS outside the JOINT Lightning Force undermining said force. Less so the RNers outside the JLF - either flyboys or fishheads etc. There aren't so many. SADLY there are just too many crabs otherwise moaning and groaning (mostly about what they don't understand as evidenced on pPrune for example). I like to believe, from what I've read and heard so far, from those inside the JLF, is that they get the concept and want to run with it. Good OH.
I would suggest that people who whine on the internet are probably not the same people running the RAF or RN.  This may come as a shock, but some of them may have retired years ago and still be spouting on about with no current knowledge...
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Joined: December 25th, 2009, 10:23 pm

August 9th, 2018, 2:11 am #4412

Yeah. Sadly 'Sharkey' Ward would be one. He seems to have left the stage - thank goodness. A good fella of old but somehow gone troppo in his Caribbean Idyll.
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Joined: February 22nd, 2007, 6:26 pm

August 10th, 2018, 6:57 am #4413

See, you mentioned ‘Sharkey’ and the whole board went quiet for 24 hours....
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Joined: December 25th, 2009, 10:23 pm

August 10th, 2018, 9:29 am #4414

Why was that? Tell me more. I have enormous respect for his Falklands exploits and subsequently but after retirement (and probably too much sun) he seemed to go bonkers, spouting ridiculous claims that were easily refuted by facts from the internet. He seemed to be unaware that 'fact checking' existed - certainly he did none (I'm told if anyone said otherwise they were ignored). AWI bluster in face to face arguments is legendary but that technique does not work on the internet. Sad Sad Sad.
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Joined: April 5th, 2007, 8:50 pm

August 10th, 2018, 12:04 pm #4415

Spaz,
Loved Sea Harrier over the Falklands, but I must have missed his bonkers stage. Any highlights or links.  I do remember him rallying against losing FAA fast jets, but I must have missed the details.  If correct, then yes, very sad.  
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Joined: December 7th, 2016, 12:00 pm

August 10th, 2018, 3:50 pm #4416

This was on Janes.com, but the link has been removed.

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As the UK Carrier Strike Group construct continues its development ahead of the CSG21 deployment in 2021, work is under way to establish a Carrier Strike Assurance Group to validate training and force generation over the longer term. Richard Scott reports
The UK Royal Navy's (RN's) new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is due to sail from Portsmouth in mid-August to begin the four-month 'WESTLANT 18' deployment. Embarked on board is the one-star UK Carrier Strike Group (UKCSG) battle staff that constitutes the 'cerebral glue' to bind together all the component parts of the carrier group.

Comprising approximately 65 specialist personnel at full strength, the UKCSG organisation achieved initial operational capability (IOC) in January, having the previous year completed Exercise 'Saxon Warrior' with the US Navy's (USN's) George H W Bushbattle group.
 
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Joined: December 15th, 2007, 10:31 pm

August 10th, 2018, 5:45 pm #4417

cs4160 wrote: Spaz,
Loved Sea Harrier over the Falklands, but I must have missed his bonkers stage. Any highlights or links.  I do remember him rallying against losing FAA fast jets, but I must have missed the details.  If correct, then yes, very sad.  
Sharkey went very weird about the RAF performance over Iraq in 1991. Apparently, RAF Tornado pilots were so frightened by how their aircraft reacted to being lightened by dropping bombs that they ejected, abandoning their weapons officers - & more garbage in a similar vein.
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Joined: February 12th, 2018, 2:26 pm

August 10th, 2018, 8:35 pm #4418

I got the impression from reading Sea Harrier over the Falklands that the entire task force from Admiral Woodward downwards were only there to interfere with Wards efforts to win the war entirely single handedly.

A more enjoyable read and perceptive take on the air war in my opinion is "Hostile Skies" by David Morgan.  Morgan was an RAF pilot on secondment to the RN.



The last British dogfight...
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/01/0 ... -dogfight/
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Joined: October 7th, 2009, 4:39 am

August 10th, 2018, 11:00 pm #4419

Interesting wording  -“petrol”, “glide (a SHAR) down into a landing (on Hermes)”.  Can hear a pilot saying something like “not enough petrol left in the tank” in a “there I was, upside down with nothing on the clock” sort of way, but to just use that in a written piece without a direct quote is a bit strange, changing it to AVCAT (or F44) would seem more sensible.  Same with the “glide” comment.
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Joined: December 7th, 2016, 12:00 pm

August 11th, 2018, 3:39 am #4420

Scouse wrote: Look this is very simple calculus gents. The RN doesn’t want to pay out to set up Culdrose or Yeovilton as a home base for multi-squadron routine fastjet ops. They want to save the money and spend it on the ships, subs and all the other things those on this board whine on about not having enough of.

They’d rather like the RAF to do that bit especially seeings that Marham has just been set up to do the job. That means though that the RAF get to share the toys and, yes, they have a definition all their own when it comes to sharing.

I’ve sat in their club in Piccadilly and listened to the conversations held over a few sherries!. I know of the dark forces that live in the light blue. That’s irrelevant though.

Forward staging the GR3s to the carriers, for the most part, worked in 82. JFH, after a fashion, worked operationally if not politically. The concept of pushing STOVL air ashore into FOBs worked in the Gulf in 91 and in Afghanistan and was underpinned by offshore support at least initial phase.

What works is enlightened self interest and there’s enough here for the light blue and us to take advantage of.
RNAS Culdrose was considered as a F-35B base according to Air Marshal (retd) Greg Bagwell, former Deputy Commander (Operations), Air Command. However, based on infrastructure changes, noise that would affect the local community and some other factors, Marham was chosen.
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