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The J-Bug

radiotrib
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Sep 6 2009, 03:06 PM #1

YAAY !!! ... I've now reloaded all the photos from my own archive so the thread is again a photo journal of the build !!! Unfortunately, all the juicy engine porn from Morkrieger is lost .. or at least ... lost-ish - It will take me much longer to track all that down in my file system, but I'll try ...

Sorry again but the very earliest 10 or 12 photos are completely lost. However .. here is one of the original sketches for what I intended to do. I cut the bug up a huge number of times in Photoshop until I knew what I intended to do almost off by heart, then I translated the lines to the car and cut it up ... Here's the plan ...



and here's the original text for this post (sans photos) ...

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Well, after procrastinating for ages I finally went out and bought some new tools ...



... and you know what it's like when you get new toys ... You have to try them out don't you ...




... It may look like a strange place to start, but I've got my reasons. I'll explain more when I have the time to write it up ... But it looks like the J-Rod is finally started ... I'm keeping this bit ...



I've never cut a beetle before, and the J-bug was a 100% pure spaarkever until today .. so we both lost our virginity together .. onlt time will tell if we can make a long-term relationship .. but I'm up for it if she is ... :)

Amazing what you shake lose when you attack other bits with a sawsall eh ??



More when it happens .. but don't hold your breath. I know nothing and I'm learning (read 'making mistakes') as I go ... and I only get 2 weekends a month free, and 5 - 8 hours on those weekends as well .. so it'll be sloooooooooooooooow ....

Didn't do any more cutting ... but I did a lot of marking ...




'Scuse the crappy phone photos. The old phone's almost 8 years old and I think the lens got a bit sweaty in my pocket too :) ...
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Sep 6 2009, 04:16 PM #2

a great start...and a new build...makes me all fuzzy inside... :lol:
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Sep 6 2009, 06:23 PM #3

This one is a no-extender, fit-within-the-Dutch-construction-and-use-regs, rod. So many complexities to take into account. Since I can't push the wheelbase I have to shrink the body (hence the vertical cut lines marked out on the door and rear quarter).

The trouble with that is that if you shrink the body ... you end up with a body which is 8 inches too short for the floor pan, and have to either break the rules by shortening the pan sides, or have 8 inches of ledge sticking out in the wheel arch.

My idea (if it works) is to keep the front piece in the pics above, and mount it just as it would be in a standard beetle, and then stretch the front quarters between the A pillar and the beam as much as I reduced the rear quarters and the doors ... Hence the piece I kept.

The spare wheel well and front valance are just about the same depth (20 cm) as the total of the other slices being either removed or added, so I should end up with a V-Rod with the cabin shrunk by 8 inches, a front windscreen/a-pillar/bonnet pulled back by 8 inches, but something that still looks as though the beam was pushed forwards 8 inches ... all on a standard, unmodified beetle floor pan.

The extended forequarter should keep it looking longer, the chop should pull the proportions back from short and fat towards the right look, and a 3 inch channeling job should also help to lengthen it visually.

Still in the market when it comes to normal or suicide doors/stretching the roof widthways/etc. I'll just have to see how successful I am with the fundamentals first ...

But if I pull it off, it will be a first I think ... and it may well open the doors for more radical rods in the future in Holland :)

Anyway ... It's on the way now ... and that's what counts !!

Sheesh - I'm stiff !!! .. all that bending and stretching ain't good for an old geezer !
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Sep 7 2009, 08:04 AM #4

I take my hat of to you mate, looking forward to see you progress and turn your
ideas into reality, post loads of pics up when you have chance :)
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Sep 7 2009, 05:11 PM #5

Man-o, I'm getting a sore head figuring out all the stuff your talking about doing!! real clever though, I like it. all within the rules too! Take that The Man!!!!
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Sep 7 2009, 06:19 PM #6

Here .. maybe this will help with the imagining ... I tried to improve the previous chopimation to keep the wheel/axle positions correct ...

(Note .. the chopimation got lost !!)



Can anyone tell me what the inset bit with the two holes in the rear arch is ?? .. can I cut it out without leaving something hanging loose ???
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Sep 7 2009, 08:00 PM #7

thats a cool dancing picture!!
the bit you're talkin about is the bit where the Z bar fixes/goes through. not all bugs have them. its just a handling thing like an anti-roll bar. you don't need it unless you plan on fitting a z bar.
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Sep 8 2009, 05:59 AM #8

i had long discussions bout the suicide door idea. my advise: dont do suicide doors. in '30s cars i aint a problem, or cars that had suicide from factory on. they do not like the idea realy much at the RDW. for the rest, rock on! we wont have the first dutch v-rod. but we will have damn cool cars in the end without spending shotloads of euro's on getting it on the road :)
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ps. started on stripping two beetles atm. so i will be starting soon on the short body V-rod soon and plans for picking a 32 ford body up in england is coming together now. crap two cars to built on, think im in heaven :P
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Sep 8 2009, 07:45 AM #9

I really like that,the shorter reat end is really pretty, but my eyes have gone funny from looking at the anigif. Can you put a still pic up too chap? This could be an easy chop in one way I guess as you can use the roof whole?
It's 100% original officer, they made them like this back then, honest...
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Sep 8 2009, 11:20 AM #10

i am going in the same direction with my v-rod, i do thing to the cutoff roofsectoin, but cut up the body to fit :P
the body will be between 8-9 inches shorter than stock, and i narrow it a bit instead of widening the roof. build of mine will start next month and i will keep loggs posted :)

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Sep 8 2009, 11:48 AM #11

dreamshack @ Sep 8 2009, 09:45 AM wrote: Can you put a still pic up too chap?   This could be an easy chop in one way I guess as you can use the roof whole?
HehHeh .. yep it does jiggle the eyes a bit doesn't it :) ... Here y'are



Easier chop ?? .. I guess in one way it is, because you could keep the roof intact at a pinch, so you can avoid working with all those compound curves. On the other hand, when you've taken the roof off, cutting out the side sections and freeing up the b-pillars leaves you with no stability at all so it'll be like welding a jelly.

I'm still in two minds whether to split the roof down the middle and add a section to widen it (current preferred option) or to keep the whole roof in one piece, and lean the sides in to meet it. Leaning the sides makes the door open/shut geometry a bit odd, and the dash would have to be narrowed a fraction, but it could work, and I could still keep the bottom line at the right position to fit the chassis side rails. OTOH ... It might be easier to manhandle half-roof sections for a fella on his own ...

I'm really not keen on the half-way solution of keeping the lower half straight and angling the pillars though .. I think that is definitely out.

My most pressing tasks right now are to learn to weld, and to work out how best to lengthen the a-pillar/quarter panel (between the door and the wheel arch). At about 2am this morning i was playing with the concept of fixed, flying fenders like the old sports cars of the 40s ... but I think that really is beyond me :unsure: so I'm still plotting ...

I want to get some bracing into the body and bonnet area before I cut off the roof ... That's next (after my first coupla welding lessons) ... but my trigger finger is itching sooooooo much !!!
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Sep 8 2009, 04:22 PM #12

i really like that, looks good. well done for finding ways around the rules but still keeping within them.

i know what you mean about welding "jelly" my secret little project ive got on the boil is like that. trying to line it all back up and weld it tight is a nitemare......more details to follow soon. :satan:

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Sep 12 2009, 02:16 PM #13

Swazall stress relief ...

I just can't keep my hands off that bloody sawzall !!!!





The cutting went ok (ish) .. but man !!! that roof was a bugger to shift for one old fat geezer !!!

OK .. I'm orf ta sunny Spain for a week (the regular monthly work trip) so I'll not be updating anything for a while ...
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Sep 21 2009, 07:32 PM #14

Back from Spain .. so ... fire up the sawzall !!!

day 3 - Removed the surplus metal



and tried to see what a 4" chop looked like on the doors ...


If this goes back together properly there'll be nobody more surprised than me !!!
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Oct 7 2009, 06:11 PM #15

Jut turned that door into a big steel jigsaw puzzle ... If I'm lucky I might get some tack welds into it by the weekend and see how it looks at its new size ...

Things are going very slowly on the J-Bug at the moment. Been having some welding lessons to get me started with MIG .. (My welding is BAD !! very bad !!) ... next week the agency are sending me to Spain for a week, then I'm back the following week, straight into hospital for an operation, and then 1-2 weeks R&R with no strenuous activity ... so nothing looks like its going to happen for at least another month.

<groan> :angry:
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Oct 7 2009, 06:41 PM #16

i thought carving up a bug in the workshop is R&R :D

i would keep the roof in one piece,and either narrow and shorten the
body to fit the chopped roof(as in RAT PATROL),
or,lean the pillars to line it all up(cappela style).
i definitely wouldn't chop the roof up ,to much of a ball ache.


good luck with the op buddy,get back on it asap B)


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Oct 8 2009, 04:05 PM #17

I've got the feeling I'm going to split the roof right down the centre line and widen it .. keeping the pillars the same as they originally were, and adding a strip in the centre from another roof ... should keep the shape in profile, and a bit of lead will sort out the ridge in the middle.

Thanks for the wishes for the op ... I'm not looking forward to it, but I'm looking forward to the results once the surgery discomfort wears off. :unsure:
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Oct 8 2009, 06:26 PM #18

Great idea to shorten the body giving the effect that the front wheels have been extended! You seem to be cutting the rear quarter panel in the same location I did. I think you are going to end up with a very WELL proportioned car! ;)

Just one thing to note. You say that you are going to cut the roof down the middle only. I think you will find that you will need to cut it across too, ie into 4 pieces as the pillars will not be anywhere close to lining up!

This photo will give you an idea of what I mean...i think! :D

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Oct 8 2009, 07:22 PM #19

If you're going to get a second roof, why not take one half from one roof and one half from the other, both oversized to make up for the extra width, then you've only got one weld to make down the middle. I like that idea.
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Oct 8 2009, 07:27 PM #20

mouldy the merciless @ Oct 8 2009, 09:22 PM wrote: If you're going to get a second roof, why not take one half from one roof and one half from the other, both oversized to make up for the extra width, then you've only got one weld to make down the middle. I like that idea.
If I could guarantee the size o0f the pillars on the second piece I might be tempted .. but .... I can't cut anything accurately to save my life so I'm unlikely to succeed :)
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