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Yorecik at 38°47'5.53"N 41°12'45.07"E - these look like modern abandoned buildings to me. Those ruins more to the northwest, closer to the river, were perhaps constructed to house workers when the railway tunnels were dug.Raffi,
Hi, many thanks for the references. Much appreciated.
Dera Sor ("Red Church") is a local Kurdish name for the architectural ruins how being linked with the missing monastery of Yeghrdut. It was a proper toponym associated with the site in the past.
I will continue to look for further confirmation that the two places are one and the same. I say this as I was told by locals in the area that Yeghrdut was located somewhere in the vicinity of Zengok, marked on the map as Yorecik. It apparently overlooked the Aratsani river and was located on its southern shore. Below it was a suspension bridge spanning the width of the river, beyond which, on a hill, was a fortress, presumably that at Ulayu.
Looking at Zengok/Yorecik you can see a large number of ruins around Zengok, some of substantial size. However, I have no further knowledge on what these might represent, whether they be the remains of an Armenian monastery or the destroyed village of Zengok.
If not Yeghrdut, then was another monastery located here also.
I understand there were something like 30 monasteries in all on the plain of Mush, of which very little is known about any of them other than those of Surb Karapet and Surb Arakelots.
Info on Yeghrdut monastery can also be found online on the National Repository website http://serials.flib.sci.am/openreader/T ... ntent.html), where Hamazasp Voskian's book "Monasteries of Taron-Turuberan" is posted http://serials.flib.sci.am/openreader/T ... 6/mode/2up). Go to page 91, chapter 16. Hope this helps.Hi, I am trying to locate the exact position of a monastery called Yeghrdut or Erghduti that once existed on the southern edge of the plain of Mush, just south of the Eastern Euphrates.
Here is the Wikipedia entry.
The coordinates given in the Wiki entry take you to a hillside without any trace of a building structure or boundary wall.
Take a look: 38.7834°N 41.2590°E
I want to pin down the site better, so have ordered:
Hamazasp Oskean (or Oskian or Voskian), Taron-Turuberani vankere (The
Monasteries of Taron-Turuberan) Vienna: Mekhitarist Press, 1953
This apparently contains more information on the site.
The following Thierry reference also has more information:
Thierry J. M., Eastern Turkey, archeological journey of life, travel diaries "Monument", Yearbook 1, E., 1987.
However, I cannot find this title among his bibliography at:
http://www.acam-france.org/bibliographi ... jeanmichel
Any one out there able to lay their hands on either the Thierry reference or any better information on the monastery?
The Wiki coordinates fall to the west of the modern village of Gudumlu, although this was almost entirely destroyed in 1993, and residents there today are unaware of any nearby monastery ruins. I have tried also at another local village Kizilagac, a little to the east, asking the same question, with the same response. No monastery known nearby, other than the ruins of a so-called "Red Church" (dera sor) somewhere to the east of Kizilagac.
Kizilagac apparently derives its names from Kizilxac, meaning Red Cross, although why no one seems to know. Yet it does appear to suggest the presence of an Armenian church foundation.
An "Armenian" mill and dam exists on the Kizilagac stream a km or so south of the village, and this too is likely to have been connected to a monastery nearby.
Any help appreciated.