the black ghost ROC Paul Newman dial, the pics

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the black ghost ROC Paul Newman dial, the pics

Joined: June 28th, 2007, 12:41 am

October 16th, 2014, 3:53 pm #1

ok guys, i've just received the permission from Christie's for to post the pics

so we will be able, maybe, in to understand more about this Dial

the Front



the Back





the T Swiss T



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a Panda PN (in Italy we call this batch MK 1.5)



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the main print

please keep in mind that White over Black is always "fatter" than Black over White





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about the halo

you can be able in to see the halo only in specific conditions, under an incident light and with the Dial inclined in some specific positions

as already wrote, we already saw odd things (like, for example, the PN Ghost/Erased Daytona)

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i dont want to give any kind of judgment, any opinion

you have your own eyes

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cheers from Italy

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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

October 16th, 2014, 4:13 pm #2

Again here is Ben's original pic unedited and at an angle to see the "halo" around the text and coronet, as well as where the DAYTONA previously was.

I don't necessarily think we will get everyone here to agree wether is real or fake, but at least the facts are provided so people can draw their own conclusions.


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Joined: June 28th, 2007, 12:41 am

October 16th, 2014, 4:25 pm #3

"I don't necessarily think we will get everyone here to agree wether is real or fake, but at least the facts are provided so people can draw their own conclusions."


well said Eric !


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again, please keep in mind that White over Black is different from Black over White




cheers from Italy
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Joined: February 17th, 2014, 9:14 pm

October 16th, 2014, 5:17 pm #4

ok guys, i've just received the permission from Christie's for to post the pics

so we will be able, maybe, in to understand more about this Dial

the Front



the Back





the T Swiss T



*

a Panda PN (in Italy we call this batch MK 1.5)



*

the main print

please keep in mind that White over Black is always "fatter" than Black over White





*

about the halo

you can be able in to see the halo only in specific conditions, under an incident light and with the Dial inclined in some specific positions

as already wrote, we already saw odd things (like, for example, the PN Ghost/Erased Daytona)

*

i dont want to give any kind of judgment, any opinion

you have your own eyes

*


cheers from Italy

edit for typo


Thanks for the photos - these should help others make a proper assessment either way.

What is most interesting to me is the texture of the dial looks very different in your photos compared to Ben's. His appear very textured where yours are much more even.
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 7:36 pm

October 16th, 2014, 5:18 pm #5

ok guys, i've just received the permission from Christie's for to post the pics

so we will be able, maybe, in to understand more about this Dial

the Front



the Back





the T Swiss T



*

a Panda PN (in Italy we call this batch MK 1.5)



*

the main print

please keep in mind that White over Black is always "fatter" than Black over White





*

about the halo

you can be able in to see the halo only in specific conditions, under an incident light and with the Dial inclined in some specific positions

as already wrote, we already saw odd things (like, for example, the PN Ghost/Erased Daytona)

*

i dont want to give any kind of judgment, any opinion

you have your own eyes

*


cheers from Italy

edit for typo


The two images together in a .gif

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Joined: January 8th, 2005, 4:10 pm

October 16th, 2014, 5:23 pm #6

Wow....thats very Hypnotic.......... G.
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Joined: June 28th, 2007, 12:41 am

October 16th, 2014, 5:39 pm #7

Thanks for the photos - these should help others make a proper assessment either way.

What is most interesting to me is the texture of the dial looks very different in your photos compared to Ben's. His appear very textured where yours are much more even.
already wrote why, and i posted as well an expample

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/m ... dent+light


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thanks for the GIF Brandon, great


cheers from Italy
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

October 16th, 2014, 5:53 pm #8

The two images together in a .gif

nt.
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Joined: May 22nd, 2006, 1:25 pm

October 16th, 2014, 6:28 pm #9

ok guys, i've just received the permission from Christie's for to post the pics

so we will be able, maybe, in to understand more about this Dial

the Front



the Back





the T Swiss T



*

a Panda PN (in Italy we call this batch MK 1.5)



*

the main print

please keep in mind that White over Black is always "fatter" than Black over White





*

about the halo

you can be able in to see the halo only in specific conditions, under an incident light and with the Dial inclined in some specific positions

as already wrote, we already saw odd things (like, for example, the PN Ghost/Erased Daytona)

*

i dont want to give any kind of judgment, any opinion

you have your own eyes

*


cheers from Italy

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....Many Thanks for your Input Roberto and all included members.

Can't wait to see the watch in geneva.....

Best
Matthias
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Joined: January 28th, 2005, 9:45 am

October 16th, 2014, 6:40 pm #10

ok guys, i've just received the permission from Christie's for to post the pics

so we will be able, maybe, in to understand more about this Dial

the Front



the Back





the T Swiss T



*

a Panda PN (in Italy we call this batch MK 1.5)



*

the main print

please keep in mind that White over Black is always "fatter" than Black over White





*

about the halo

you can be able in to see the halo only in specific conditions, under an incident light and with the Dial inclined in some specific positions

as already wrote, we already saw odd things (like, for example, the PN Ghost/Erased Daytona)

*

i dont want to give any kind of judgment, any opinion

you have your own eyes

*


cheers from Italy

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T SWISS T , counters numbers and other printings look correct.
would like to see a bigger pic of the SINGER punch.
probably it's an " instalment printing plan " made with some time between each " payment " ... LOL LOL
the " erasing " theory is very unlikely to me ( very difficult to work with leaving any sign of evidence ..
altough the black paint is more covering ).
this point would be much clear only checking the watch " live "
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