rolex 1655 bezel (Beware!!)

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rolex 1655 bezel (Beware!!)

Joined: June 24th, 2011, 2:05 am

November 1st, 2011, 3:50 pm #1

Recently, I posted a Explorer II 1655 Orange Hand Bezel on VRM, I would like to thank some buyers who enlightened me that this is a good fake one.
Don't be stupid to pay top money on this kind of fake bezel!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rolex-E ... 4ab052f8cc

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-Rolex- ... 2543wt_907

This is the same liar.

Tomy
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Joined: February 14th, 2009, 12:18 am

November 1st, 2011, 7:14 pm #2

You posted this many times by now. Every time your post get deleted. Please consider why they remove it..

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Joined: September 29th, 2006, 9:10 am

November 1st, 2011, 9:08 pm #3

Recently, I posted a Explorer II 1655 Orange Hand Bezel on VRM, I would like to thank some buyers who enlightened me that this is a good fake one.
Don't be stupid to pay top money on this kind of fake bezel!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rolex-E ... 4ab052f8cc

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-Rolex- ... 2543wt_907

This is the same liar.

Tomy
I never deal with you. I have sent you an email last time but you never respond. You keep
on posting something on VFR. Are you alright??

Chow
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November 2nd, 2011, 6:08 am #4

You posted this many times by now. Every time your post get deleted. Please consider why they remove it..

Sorry
Neither ebay auction link identifies the seller. In fact, they are from two different ebay seller accounts. You identified the seller. Then the seller jumped in, apparently to defend the bezels being sold. A review of the seller's ebay history shows that since 2010, three seemingly identical bezels have been sold, each for over 1K USD. Now, he has two more for sale. Mind you, these appear to be Mark II 1655 bezels in perfect NOS condition. What are the odds?

Incidentally, Per, you were much more realistic when this issue last arose when this same seller had an identical looking 1655 bezel for sale on ebay in June this year. On June 24, several well respected forum members not only voiced the opinion it was a fake, but also noted that this seller seems to, in your own words, "pop up quite often...coincidence or should someone smell a rat?" Others made analogies to three strikes and you're out, and to laws of probability.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/t ... e%21%21%29

Now you say "Why not solve this with Eric directly?"

How about because all of the evidence points to a pattern of fake 1655 bezels being sold at regular intervals over the last year? All selling for over 1K USD...sandwiched in between 30 or so low ticket items like booklets and wallets (I even bought what was advertised as a vintage Rolex wallet from one of his ebay accounts over a year ago!). Sell 30 or so wallets and booklets, build up credibility and goodwill, then bang, throw in a big ticket 1655 bezel.

Going back to the baseball analogy, how many strikes does a longtime "trusted seller" on this forum get before he's out?

And for those wondering why I take this so seriously, when I am not involved in this transaction, it's because I have been burned before on a complete fake 1655. Not from this seller. And only with the help of good people on this forum was I able to make it right. No one should have to go through that. And the fact that this seller has sold these bezels to VRF members and to others on ebay should not be tolerated. Combined with all of the other "mistakes" and statistical impossibilities (how many NOS blue GMT bezels???), I'm not going to hold my tongue. The Mods can lock this thread, they can ban me, so be it. If just one person avoids being scammed because of this post, it's worth it.

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Joined: May 2nd, 2010, 9:11 pm

November 2nd, 2011, 2:33 pm #5

.and their practices need to be scrutinized. Kudos Paul.
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Joined: July 25th, 2010, 6:16 am

November 2nd, 2011, 5:04 pm #6

Neither ebay auction link identifies the seller. In fact, they are from two different ebay seller accounts. You identified the seller. Then the seller jumped in, apparently to defend the bezels being sold. A review of the seller's ebay history shows that since 2010, three seemingly identical bezels have been sold, each for over 1K USD. Now, he has two more for sale. Mind you, these appear to be Mark II 1655 bezels in perfect NOS condition. What are the odds?

Incidentally, Per, you were much more realistic when this issue last arose when this same seller had an identical looking 1655 bezel for sale on ebay in June this year. On June 24, several well respected forum members not only voiced the opinion it was a fake, but also noted that this seller seems to, in your own words, "pop up quite often...coincidence or should someone smell a rat?" Others made analogies to three strikes and you're out, and to laws of probability.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/t ... e%21%21%29

Now you say "Why not solve this with Eric directly?"

How about because all of the evidence points to a pattern of fake 1655 bezels being sold at regular intervals over the last year? All selling for over 1K USD...sandwiched in between 30 or so low ticket items like booklets and wallets (I even bought what was advertised as a vintage Rolex wallet from one of his ebay accounts over a year ago!). Sell 30 or so wallets and booklets, build up credibility and goodwill, then bang, throw in a big ticket 1655 bezel.

Going back to the baseball analogy, how many strikes does a longtime "trusted seller" on this forum get before he's out?

And for those wondering why I take this so seriously, when I am not involved in this transaction, it's because I have been burned before on a complete fake 1655. Not from this seller. And only with the help of good people on this forum was I able to make it right. No one should have to go through that. And the fact that this seller has sold these bezels to VRF members and to others on ebay should not be tolerated. Combined with all of the other "mistakes" and statistical impossibilities (how many NOS blue GMT bezels???), I'm not going to hold my tongue. The Mods can lock this thread, they can ban me, so be it. If just one person avoids being scammed because of this post, it's worth it.
I was going to jump in, but the coward in me said,' let it go".. I am now ashamed.

I counted four All blue GMT bezel inserts offered,at least, on VRM. 3 sold, maybe all four. How many more elsewhere, I have no clue. And not for $ 1K odd per pop. $ 4K! No, sorry, I exaggerate. I paid only $ 3.5 K.The item is still in my junkbox, a testament to my ignorance, and the pitfalls of this hobby. Sigh, I may go back to my motorbikes.
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Joined: February 14th, 2009, 12:18 am

November 2nd, 2011, 7:26 pm #7

Neither ebay auction link identifies the seller. In fact, they are from two different ebay seller accounts. You identified the seller. Then the seller jumped in, apparently to defend the bezels being sold. A review of the seller's ebay history shows that since 2010, three seemingly identical bezels have been sold, each for over 1K USD. Now, he has two more for sale. Mind you, these appear to be Mark II 1655 bezels in perfect NOS condition. What are the odds?

Incidentally, Per, you were much more realistic when this issue last arose when this same seller had an identical looking 1655 bezel for sale on ebay in June this year. On June 24, several well respected forum members not only voiced the opinion it was a fake, but also noted that this seller seems to, in your own words, "pop up quite often...coincidence or should someone smell a rat?" Others made analogies to three strikes and you're out, and to laws of probability.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/t ... e%21%21%29

Now you say "Why not solve this with Eric directly?"

How about because all of the evidence points to a pattern of fake 1655 bezels being sold at regular intervals over the last year? All selling for over 1K USD...sandwiched in between 30 or so low ticket items like booklets and wallets (I even bought what was advertised as a vintage Rolex wallet from one of his ebay accounts over a year ago!). Sell 30 or so wallets and booklets, build up credibility and goodwill, then bang, throw in a big ticket 1655 bezel.

Going back to the baseball analogy, how many strikes does a longtime "trusted seller" on this forum get before he's out?

And for those wondering why I take this so seriously, when I am not involved in this transaction, it's because I have been burned before on a complete fake 1655. Not from this seller. And only with the help of good people on this forum was I able to make it right. No one should have to go through that. And the fact that this seller has sold these bezels to VRF members and to others on ebay should not be tolerated. Combined with all of the other "mistakes" and statistical impossibilities (how many NOS blue GMT bezels???), I'm not going to hold my tongue. The Mods can lock this thread, they can ban me, so be it. If just one person avoids being scammed because of this post, it's worth it.
Since the last attempts to discuss this particular transaction was removed I thought we weren't supposed to discuss Eric and this specific transaction. Not sure why I even bothered to put my nose into this. I shouldn't have posted at all..

I do agree with what you say and as I said last time around, I find it odd that we discuss Eric and rare items being fake. I thought that these accusations were wild and crazy since someone bothered to delete the last two threads discussing this particular transaction between Eric and Mr.Power. I am not expert enough to tell so please forgive me for the unnecessary post. You are 100% right in my eyes. Sorry Paul
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Joined: December 18th, 2010, 12:37 pm

November 9th, 2011, 11:50 am #8

Recently, I posted a Explorer II 1655 Orange Hand Bezel on VRM, I would like to thank some buyers who enlightened me that this is a good fake one.
Don't be stupid to pay top money on this kind of fake bezel!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rolex-E ... 4ab052f8cc

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-Rolex- ... 2543wt_907

This is the same liar.

Tomy
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