"Original date stamped" forgeries are also coming...

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"Original date stamped" forgeries are also coming...

Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

October 16th, 2011, 3:52 pm #1

...courtesy of the usual suspects--see the winner of these two auctions of vintage date stamp equipment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280700227932#ht_500wt_1413

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270803823925#ht_500wt_1413

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... ackAsBuyer

(h/t BM)

The only solution is to drive these fakers out of business ASAP. Anyone in California want to call the police?
And now the question must also be: will original papers add any value anymore at all after this? I tend to think not...
Best,
T.



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October 16th, 2011, 4:08 pm #2

Not aimed at you Tom but what about the premium value of sets today? Since it apparantly exists so many blank papers, will sets continue to have so much premium? I'm not saying dealers do this but it is apparantly a risk and it will be almost impossible to detect.

Is the extra premium for sets justified?

I'm not tryinig to step on anyones toes but I just felt I had to ask.

Have a nice afternoon guys
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October 16th, 2011, 4:10 pm #3

...courtesy of the usual suspects--see the winner of these two auctions of vintage date stamp equipment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280700227932#ht_500wt_1413

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270803823925#ht_500wt_1413

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... ackAsBuyer

(h/t BM)

The only solution is to drive these fakers out of business ASAP. Anyone in California want to call the police?
And now the question must also be: will original papers add any value anymore at all after this? I tend to think not...
Best,
T.


Yikes! Good catch Tom. There can be only one reason that vintage1665 guy would be buying those date stampers! You'll note his feedback also contains lots of papers, hang tags, accessories, so he certainly has access to them.
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October 16th, 2011, 4:18 pm #4

There must be a good explanation..........

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October 16th, 2011, 4:56 pm #5

...courtesy of the usual suspects--see the winner of these two auctions of vintage date stamp equipment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280700227932#ht_500wt_1413

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270803823925#ht_500wt_1413

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... ackAsBuyer

(h/t BM)

The only solution is to drive these fakers out of business ASAP. Anyone in California want to call the police?
And now the question must also be: will original papers add any value anymore at all after this? I tend to think not...
Best,
T.


Best regards
Orchi.
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October 16th, 2011, 4:57 pm #6

There must be a good explanation..........

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October 16th, 2011, 5:11 pm #7

Best regards
Orchi.
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October 16th, 2011, 5:15 pm #8

...courtesy of the usual suspects--see the winner of these two auctions of vintage date stamp equipment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280700227932#ht_500wt_1413

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270803823925#ht_500wt_1413

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... ackAsBuyer

(h/t BM)

The only solution is to drive these fakers out of business ASAP. Anyone in California want to call the police?
And now the question must also be: will original papers add any value anymore at all after this? I tend to think not...
Best,
T.


LLOLLL ... good work !!
about your question : the problem is almost related to blank papers .. it's too easy to punch a case number .. often on a paper not correct for the time of watch production) without a plausible provenance...
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October 16th, 2011, 5:20 pm #9

Not aimed at you Tom but what about the premium value of sets today? Since it apparantly exists so many blank papers, will sets continue to have so much premium? I'm not saying dealers do this but it is apparantly a risk and it will be almost impossible to detect.

Is the extra premium for sets justified?

I'm not tryinig to step on anyones toes but I just felt I had to ask.

Have a nice afternoon guys
Missed your q at the bottom. Silly me

Thanks for your work Tom.
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October 16th, 2011, 5:26 pm #10

LLOLLL ... good work !!
about your question : the problem is almost related to blank papers .. it's too easy to punch a case number .. often on a paper not correct for the time of watch production) without a plausible provenance...
If you have blank papers you can always use sites like Rolexephemera.com or similar to find out what watch your paper goes with. Then you just purchase after the papers and very quickly you have a nice set. I doubt ordinary people do this to add value on their precious piece. This is something people just do to make easy money and therefore you just start with the papers and buy watches accordingly. Right?
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