Normally I would not post this, but as blogs getting more important informing collectors..

Vintage Rolex Discussion

Normally I would not post this, but as blogs getting more important informing collectors..

Joined: October 4th, 2006, 9:33 pm

March 18th, 2012, 4:41 pm #1

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
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Joined: January 23rd, 2005, 9:30 pm

March 18th, 2012, 4:54 pm #2

and this proves it!!!

When they first started appearing I knew where it was going to lead which is why when I was being
asked Do you have a blog? Why dont you blog? You should blog that etc etc I left well alone.

basically theres only 2 or 3 that have any quality and that anything gleaned from them
could be taken seriously. The rest are just dangerous.

Now we have "Apps" too and they are worse

---Perpetual Knowledge---
-Perpetual Knowledge-
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Joined: April 22nd, 2011, 3:33 pm

March 18th, 2012, 5:12 pm #3

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
I try to stick with what I know. I have a general interest/knowledge of vintage but I'm not an expert - when I write about vintage I always stick to the general ideas I am certain of(for example, the general principles of collecting vintage with regards to originality, what is collectible, what is not, very broad categories).

I never delve into the nitty gritty details of this watch/that part/this fake because I am not well versed outside of a few specific examples that I am intimately familiar with. I make an effort to stay within my own knowledge base, because I know that overreaching it can easily lead to trouble - or make you look like a know-it-all blowhard.

As I blog for a store, and my word readily returns to haunt me when clients take it as gospel and rely on me to make their decisions, so I make an effort to keep it trustworthy and just vague enough that they need to seek outside opinions to build their knowledge. I am very academic in my methods as well ("benefits of a classical education") and will retract or edit if new info comes to light, or if someone points out a mistake.

I always recommend doing your own research and learning from the pros, because that is what I do!

The more you learn, the less you really know. My favourite summary is this:
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Joined: October 4th, 2006, 9:33 pm

March 18th, 2012, 5:45 pm #4

as that's become the real question, for a so called, serious watch blog!

Honestly I was very surprised to read this at Hondinkee, my thought
was that Ben must have had made enough rolex friends to prevent this!

I still don't understand his logic in posting first, then wait till somebody
comes up with a complain, before editing it to the truth, what kind of info
source he has in using the old asian tactic we saw back in the 80-ies with
japanese car producers...we can always modify it, after it's on the market

;-(

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Joined: November 3rd, 2009, 8:57 pm

March 18th, 2012, 5:55 pm #5

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
Often searching for something on the Internet I come across these blogs.
My take is that many of them are simply a business tool to attract buyers, sellers or both. Even when the writer often professes his "passion" for this or that brand. Many glean whatever information they can find on the Internet and post as their own. Some even write books on buying a vintage Rolex mostly from information gleaned from others.
I would put more credence in those who bought many watches they write about for at least 10 years, 20 even better
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Joined: May 25th, 2010, 5:13 pm

March 18th, 2012, 5:55 pm #6

I try to stick with what I know. I have a general interest/knowledge of vintage but I'm not an expert - when I write about vintage I always stick to the general ideas I am certain of(for example, the general principles of collecting vintage with regards to originality, what is collectible, what is not, very broad categories).

I never delve into the nitty gritty details of this watch/that part/this fake because I am not well versed outside of a few specific examples that I am intimately familiar with. I make an effort to stay within my own knowledge base, because I know that overreaching it can easily lead to trouble - or make you look like a know-it-all blowhard.

As I blog for a store, and my word readily returns to haunt me when clients take it as gospel and rely on me to make their decisions, so I make an effort to keep it trustworthy and just vague enough that they need to seek outside opinions to build their knowledge. I am very academic in my methods as well ("benefits of a classical education") and will retract or edit if new info comes to light, or if someone points out a mistake.

I always recommend doing your own research and learning from the pros, because that is what I do!

The more you learn, the less you really know. My favourite summary is this:
Sadly, though, any problems stemming from this "know-it-all blogging" could be prevented if more people would just realize that you really can't believe everything that is written on the internet.

Don't take it as gospel truth, as you've stated in your post.

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Joined: February 5th, 2011, 8:12 pm

March 18th, 2012, 6:16 pm #7

I try to stick with what I know. I have a general interest/knowledge of vintage but I'm not an expert - when I write about vintage I always stick to the general ideas I am certain of(for example, the general principles of collecting vintage with regards to originality, what is collectible, what is not, very broad categories).

I never delve into the nitty gritty details of this watch/that part/this fake because I am not well versed outside of a few specific examples that I am intimately familiar with. I make an effort to stay within my own knowledge base, because I know that overreaching it can easily lead to trouble - or make you look like a know-it-all blowhard.

As I blog for a store, and my word readily returns to haunt me when clients take it as gospel and rely on me to make their decisions, so I make an effort to keep it trustworthy and just vague enough that they need to seek outside opinions to build their knowledge. I am very academic in my methods as well ("benefits of a classical education") and will retract or edit if new info comes to light, or if someone points out a mistake.

I always recommend doing your own research and learning from the pros, because that is what I do!

The more you learn, the less you really know. My favourite summary is this:
AMEN on that second phrase! _____________(nt)
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Joined: February 9th, 2007, 7:33 pm

March 18th, 2012, 7:01 pm #8

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
If it would not be such sad... it would be funny!

As once said..

NOTHING IS AS DANGEROUS THEN A BIT OF KNOWLEDGE....

I guess it is the future in a lot of things in the world.
In information-overload people search for people/blogs/groups who guide them through the jungle....

Only to find out... that their 'guide' is a blind city-slicker in many cases.... playing 'cool' behind a screen.

And the sad part.... it becomes it's own truth when enough people want to belief it..

Sad!

B
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March 18th, 2012, 7:13 pm #9

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
There are a lot of positives with the Internet. One of the negatives is that anyone with a computer can publish whatever they want.

Just because it's on a blog doesn't make it true.

And in this case it's just garbage.

The Dutch watch professionals are some of the very best.

Stay strong and move on!

Best regards,

Frank
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Joined: August 21st, 2010, 1:21 pm

March 18th, 2012, 7:15 pm #10

Everybody is allowed to write about vintage Rolex, also specialist watch blogs like Hondinkee and as it's guarantees maximum exposure, more blogs are doing it. Generally speaking I like that as the more passion for vintage the better for all of us. Problem raises when a blog is writing nonsense, a rumor that's not checked presenting their audience as the truth, then using a 'first owner Rolex PN' to show one has to be careful but instead using a photos hoped picture, that only helps raising questions instead of explaining them, specially not when these so called guru's want to explain how important it is to buy originality...

Here is the first phase, I really don't like:

"You see, a Paul Newman is an expensive watch, and Newman waters are murky, and full of sharks - often times Italian, Dutch, and Vietnamese sharks that know a thing or two about manufacturing dials. So, when buying a Paul Newman, you'll want as much faith in your seller as possible, and preferably, some original documents too."

Dutch sharks doing what ?!? WTF! If somebody should know, it's me and I can tell you, here's no such culture in The Netherlands. We love vintage Rolex, real ones. I know of italian specialist in restoring dials and Vietnames for faking them but Dutch being involved, no way guys! A shame you present this to your readers! These same readers contacting me to ask me if, after spotting the same end links on the shown PN, if the watch is real, discussing it on their forum...crazy!



So before I post this, I had contact with Ben, he just wrote me he 'found' the picture online and if I had a problem with it that it's shopped, I should go to the owner, lol! great research and tons of knowledge you guys have! ;( Further he could not explain me where he had heard the rumor of Dutch being involved in faking dials off course ;(

Honestly, this is another great example of why we real vintage Rolex lovers should stick together and work even harder on serious platform like VRF where readers find honest info and don't get misinformed. If you want to know about it, come over here and discuss it but please, take watch blogs NOT to serieus, they gain from your hit.

regards Philipp
The picture from the watch are now retouch !!! :o/
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