Identify Vintage Gilt Dial 5512 Submariner.

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Identify Vintage Gilt Dial 5512 Submariner.

Joined: April 2nd, 2012, 10:21 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 10:39 pm #1

I have a vintage Submariner with a gilt dial. The case says 5512 and serial 133xxxx. The case back is stamped 5512 but does not have a Roman numeral date code. I believe the crown was replaced. The movement is a 1530. Please help me figure out exactly what I have. I've spoken to about 6 dealers and half of them say its a 1959, one says its a 1964, 1965, and I've heard other stories too. Please let me know what I have and what you think it is worth. I have may watches but I've never had this much trouble figuring out exactly what i have.









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Joined: May 28th, 2007, 5:43 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 10:50 pm #2

The back, dial, and auto mech have been changed.

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Joined: July 1st, 2004, 4:12 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 10:52 pm #3

I have a vintage Submariner with a gilt dial. The case says 5512 and serial 133xxxx. The case back is stamped 5512 but does not have a Roman numeral date code. I believe the crown was replaced. The movement is a 1530. Please help me figure out exactly what I have. I've spoken to about 6 dealers and half of them say its a 1959, one says its a 1964, 1965, and I've heard other stories too. Please let me know what I have and what you think it is worth. I have may watches but I've never had this much trouble figuring out exactly what i have.









Dial does not seem to be original, and the pearl is from a later model submariner. (Metal surrounding the pearl)

Do you have scans of the numbers between the lugs?
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Joined: April 2nd, 2012, 10:21 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 10:56 pm #4

The back, dial, and auto mech have been changed.

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1530 is not consistent with this time period? what is the year?
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Joined: April 2nd, 2012, 10:21 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 11:09 pm #5

Dial does not seem to be original, and the pearl is from a later model submariner. (Metal surrounding the pearl)

Do you have scans of the numbers between the lugs?
serial number is 133xxxx model is 5512. Ive seen two lists of serial numbers. half say its a 59 half say its a 65 or 66. Still have no idea. I think 1530 movement is consistent. Why do you think the dial is aftermarket?
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Joined: August 22nd, 2010, 11:46 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 11:15 pm #6

1530 is not consistent with this time period? what is the year?
1530 on a 5512; approx. 500k-1000k

1.3m should have 4-line SCOC dial
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 11:20 pm #7

Dial does not seem to be original, and the pearl is from a later model submariner. (Metal surrounding the pearl)

Do you have scans of the numbers between the lugs?
...not quite right...



...which indicates it may have been "traced" in some manner when refinished.
1.33 mil would indicate circa. 1966 production, so correct dial would probably have been gilt, albeit with SCOC text in silver for the Chronometer 5512.
I agree with the doubts that a 1530 would be in a Chronometer grade watch by this point in Rolex history. Should probably be a 1560 or 1570 for a 5512 of this era. But Rolex were using up old 1530 movements at this time in non-Chron watches such as the 5513.
And obviously, the original back would have a date/quarter stamp, so that has been replaced at some point.
So unfortunately based on all these issues, the whole watch--including the reprinted-looking bezel--appears to be a put together and of dubious authenticity and value. Perhaps a merger of 5512 and 5513 parts?
Best,
T.


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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

April 2nd, 2012, 11:23 pm #8

serial number is 133xxxx model is 5512. Ive seen two lists of serial numbers. half say its a 59 half say its a 65 or 66. Still have no idea. I think 1530 movement is consistent. Why do you think the dial is aftermarket?
...check out our SN Database (link at top of page)--that is the most accurate sample and clearest chronology anywhere.
1.3 million is definitely mid 1960s.
Best,
T.

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Joined: January 17th, 2011, 5:43 am

April 2nd, 2012, 11:52 pm #9

...not quite right...



...which indicates it may have been "traced" in some manner when refinished.
1.33 mil would indicate circa. 1966 production, so correct dial would probably have been gilt, albeit with SCOC text in silver for the Chronometer 5512.
I agree with the doubts that a 1530 would be in a Chronometer grade watch by this point in Rolex history. Should probably be a 1560 or 1570 for a 5512 of this era. But Rolex were using up old 1530 movements at this time in non-Chron watches such as the 5513.
And obviously, the original back would have a date/quarter stamp, so that has been replaced at some point.
So unfortunately based on all these issues, the whole watch--including the reprinted-looking bezel--appears to be a put together and of dubious authenticity and value. Perhaps a merger of 5512 and 5513 parts?
Best,
T.

Looks like an aftermarket "yuki" dial that has been aged. Bezel and insert are also not good IMHO.
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Joined: June 16th, 2008, 11:21 pm

April 3rd, 2012, 12:40 am #10

I have a vintage Submariner with a gilt dial. The case says 5512 and serial 133xxxx. The case back is stamped 5512 but does not have a Roman numeral date code. I believe the crown was replaced. The movement is a 1530. Please help me figure out exactly what I have. I've spoken to about 6 dealers and half of them say its a 1959, one says its a 1964, 1965, and I've heard other stories too. Please let me know what I have and what you think it is worth. I have may watches but I've never had this much trouble figuring out exactly what i have.









the insert,it is either a n/d sapphire sub or sd with .3mm shaved off..this will allow it to fit inside a 5513 bezel.
the watch appears to be a culmination of parts found in any watchmakers bench.
I would part it out before I trioed to sell it as a whole..
of course the dial is punnanie
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