Do any members own, or have ever seen an early 1016 with an "OCC" dial?....

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Do any members own, or have ever seen an early 1016 with an "OCC" dial?....

Joined: January 17th, 2011, 5:43 am

June 28th, 2012, 12:16 pm #1

If so.. would this have been a 1560 or 1530 movement?
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

June 28th, 2012, 8:38 pm #2

...I have never seen one. Just pored over a ton of Antiquorum listings, our own Archive & Serial # Project and nada.
But if it did exist...it would definitely have a cal. 1560.
Best,
T.

P.S. As I believe 1016 & 6610 dials are interchangeable, it will be hard to verify that the watch was all original even if you found an OCC dial in a 1016 case. Unless the Super Gurus (Stefano, Marcello, Philipp, Gatsby, Eric Ku) have some thoughts on acceptable fonts for any possible crossover 6610/1016 dials...

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Joined: January 17th, 2011, 5:43 am

June 28th, 2012, 9:07 pm #3

Thanks for your research and info about the movement caliber. I found one link to an old christies auction earlier today with the above mentioned configuration, as well as a previous VRM sale for a complete watch with the same configuration, but the images are no longer available. Both were 1960 watches.

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_ ... 56bcd18d28

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/m ... +WORLDWIDE

So..... I just have the loose dial with OCC text, but with feet for a 15xx movement, picked up from another VRF member. I am pretty sure that the feet position, as well as the printing is original, especially because of the poor condition of the dial. I can post images of it later tonight when I get home, I can't upload the images here. I was going to just use it for a cheap beater build, but would like to know more about it.

If anyone else has any information or images to share, I would greatly appreciate it.

Glenn



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Joined: October 18th, 2009, 12:39 pm

June 28th, 2012, 10:38 pm #4

If so.. would this have been a 1560 or 1530 movement?
The 6610 dial has a larger o/d than the 1016.

The feet position differs on the 2 dials too (1030 movement vs. 1560).

Not impossible to match a 1016 case and a 6610 dial up though .... or vice-versa.

If I was buying a 1016 with an OCC dial I'd want to see the back of the dial first.

That said - I'm certain we've seen OCC dials with (original) 1560 feet positioning before - very early 1016's perhaps ?

Last edited by GMTKiwi on June 28th, 2012, 10:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

June 29th, 2012, 12:11 am #5

The idea of Rolex using an old dial cliche to print up a first batch for a new caliber is certainly established with the OCC 1675, which is identical to a late series 6542.
I would like to see some "provable" OCC examples on the 1016...if that is possible.
Thanks for the excellent input & best,
T.

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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

June 29th, 2012, 12:16 am #6

Thanks for your research and info about the movement caliber. I found one link to an old christies auction earlier today with the above mentioned configuration, as well as a previous VRM sale for a complete watch with the same configuration, but the images are no longer available. Both were 1960 watches.

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_ ... 56bcd18d28

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/m ... +WORLDWIDE

So..... I just have the loose dial with OCC text, but with feet for a 15xx movement, picked up from another VRF member. I am pretty sure that the feet position, as well as the printing is original, especially because of the poor condition of the dial. I can post images of it later tonight when I get home, I can't upload the images here. I was going to just use it for a cheap beater build, but would like to know more about it.

If anyone else has any information or images to share, I would greatly appreciate it.

Glenn


...I am reluctant to draw any conclusions. Certainly a good seller though.
The Christie's ad is more tangible--you can zoom in here:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Zoom ... 1/D5065183
As stated before, the idea of Rolex using an old dial cliche to print up a first batch for a new caliber is certainly established.
So I think it's possible for the very earliest 1016 but I would like to see more of this rare configuration.
Best,
T.

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Joined: January 17th, 2011, 5:43 am

June 29th, 2012, 3:09 am #7

The idea of Rolex using an old dial cliche to print up a first batch for a new caliber is certainly established with the OCC 1675, which is identical to a late series 6542.
I would like to see some "provable" OCC examples on the 1016...if that is possible.
Thanks for the excellent input & best,
T.
Here's some pictures of the dial, Sorry Robbe- I had to use 2 of your original photos as the dial is out getting re-lumed at the moment..

One thing i did notice is that on this dial and on the one in the christies picture, the word "chronometer" looks to be spaced wider than on a 6610 dial...





heres the back- for 15xx movement. feet not moved and dial not altered..


Anyone else have the same dial?

Glenn
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Joined: June 28th, 2007, 12:41 am

June 29th, 2012, 9:41 am #8



.... with "large" Chronometer

very early (should be I.60)

and as far i remember the 1016 OCC dial does exist in two differents "graphics"

i will have some pics from a good friend next monday

hope to post them soon

cheers from Italy
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Joined: January 17th, 2011, 5:43 am

June 29th, 2012, 9:57 am #9

Thanks for the confirmation! I look forward to some more pics. HAGWE!
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

June 29th, 2012, 1:52 pm #10


.... with "large" Chronometer

very early (should be I.60)

and as far i remember the 1016 OCC dial does exist in two differents "graphics"

i will have some pics from a good friend next monday

hope to post them soon

cheers from Italy
...was always printed later than the rest of the dial--perhaps to take into account the same dial being used for Precision as well as Chronometer models and maybe also for any potential special order logo dials where the logo would be printed in place of the chronometer text?

And as we can see here, the bottom text may be similar even when the rest of the text is dissimilar:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/m ... he+weekend

And the fact that we can find the same top printing with 1016 SCOC dials and OCC 6610 dials really drives the point home:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/m ... 3B%26gt%3B

Rolex casino at its finest!
Thanks for confirming the 1016 OCCs, Roberto.
All the best,
Tom

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